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#31 loveheart

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 06:39 PM

all i can say is OMG mad.gif i am stunned, i have to go back an re read this whole post and pick my jaw off the ground. this is disgusting ohmy.gif
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 06:51 PM

if this lady can do any more harm to her business! jet and mrs in 2006 should be commended on their maturity on this, you two are amazing. i cannot believe this nutter has stopped to this level, omg! as someone has already mentioned, brides talk. people mention bad service more than good, so lets see where this gets her.

i am so sorry that you have to relive all this again, what a selfish low life scum. i thing if we ignore her she may crawl back under the rock she came from.

ps 333 i met you at an expo a month ago and a i have never met someone so rude in my life. i would pay for you NOT to take my wedding photographs. i am so so glad i am giving my well earnt money to a professional. grrrr i can hardly type i am so mad.


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Posted 07 March 2007 - 08:18 PM

Studio-D just to clarify, in Jet's case, there already has been a VCAT ruling and 333 was found to be in the wrong. So the 'facts' have been shown to be law in her case.

In Mrs_in_2006's case, 333 put her studio in voluntary liquidation to avoid the court case, claiming bankruptcy, yet she continues to trade from the same premises, using an ever-so-slightly different studio name. They're facts noted in documents tendered to VCAT and listed on the ASIC website.

And frankly if she can sue me for slander for stating facts that can be looked up on the net or in a phonebook, then our country really has gone to hell in a hand basket.

I'm also sad to say it would seem that she's now advertising on this very site. Sad but true. The dollar is mighter than the sword.
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 08:37 PM

Many things in this thread have made me go ohmy.gif

But this...

QUOTE(Decembergirl @ Mar 7 2007, 09:18 PM) View Post

I'm also sad to say it would seem that she's now advertising on this very site. Sad but true. The dollar is mighter than the sword.


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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:18 PM

yup, it's true. In black and white in the Melbourne Business Listings for Photography...


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Posted 07 March 2007 - 10:55 PM

QUOTE(Decembergirl @ Mar 7 2007, 09:18 PM) View Post

Studio-D just to clarify, in Jet's case, there already has been a VCAT ruling and 333 was found to be in the wrong. So the 'facts' have been shown to be law in her case.

In Mrs_in_2006's case, 333 put her studio in voluntary liquidation to avoid the court case, claiming bankruptcy, yet she continues to trade from the same premises, using an ever-so-slightly different studio name. They're facts noted in documents tendered to VCAT and listed on the ASIC website.

And frankly if she can sue me for slander for stating facts that can be looked up on the net or in a phonebook, then our country really has gone to hell in a hand basket.

I'm also sad to say it would seem that she's now advertising on this very site. Sad but true. The dollar is mighter than the sword.

Wow, I wasnt aware of this... but thats not to say im taking sides in any way shape or form.. hell i woudnt touch this with a ten foot pole....

its just that certain comments made, may be used as ammunition against Mrs_in_2006 case. Even though she hasnt said anything directly to 333, in fact she asked 333 to keep it private... but this public furore does nothing to help anyone as the comments contiue, even though Mrsin2006 has nothing to do with them directly.

See, even with a deregisterd business, starting a "new" busines is entirely legal
Like i said, there is no regulation within this industry, things like this can happen and will continue to happen as the laws themselves dont stop anyone from doing what this company have done (according to what you have stipulated in the above post.)
I dont know what the company has done with anyone else, but those other cases (prior to this one) can indeed be seen as a precedent to this current issue, so this does help Mrs 2006 case.

The problem at hand is exactly as you have stated..

" if she can sue me for slander for stating facts that can be looked up on the net or in a phonebook, then our country really has gone to hell in a hand basket."

People may indeed be stating facts upon info provided by other websites, but the sad fact about it is that it still doesnt allow for one to comment in the way some people have.
Its not what is said, its how it is said

Here you state
"333 put her studio in voluntary liquidation to avoid the court case, claiming bankruptcy, "

Now, to most people this may well be the case, but on a legal standpoint, they have indeed gone into liquidation due to bankruptcy.
The reason behind it may be logged as one thing(bankruptcy), but the reason you have stated here is "to avoid the court case"
As far as the court is concerned, that is heresay and not admissable. BUT as this issue HAS arisen before with previous clients, then it could be presented as precedented evidence.
This "fact" is yet to be heard.. and this is the ugly grey area..
THIS is the problem that might hinder Mrs2006 claim, as according to law, noone knows why and more importantly, that is NOT the issue..
The issue is Mrsin2006 NOT recieving what she paid for.
THAT is the only fact the court cares about

"yet she continues to trade from the same premises, using an ever-so-slightly different studio name."

Like i said, with our laws, there is no regulation.. and the saddest thing is that this action stated above is an entirely legal practice. Its legal and its sadly all too common... especially in this industry.

I know one particular video production company which is tied extremly close with a major photographic studio. This video company recently changed hands and now has a new name, as the "owner" himself had undergone a myriad of legal and court ramblings which had the potential to ruin the photographic tie in. Be tehy business or persoanl related, does not matter.. the clients are being affected, and its not good business. So they sell off and start anew with a new name.
Thats just one example...
Like i said, without regulation, people can do almost anything they want in this industry..

" They're facts noted in documents tendered to VCAT and listed on the ASIC website"
I do not doubt or dispute any of this.. believe me, im not here to try to determine whos right or wrong or whatever..
What i do know however, is that when people make comments and attack someone as some have done so here, that in itself can indeed make things more difficult for the one who is taking the actual action against said company at this point in time.

I can certainly understand and appreciate the frustration and and emotions felt when reading about this story, but we dont want to hinder any action taking place.
All im saying is for people to keep a watch on how they say what they say.

As for advertising here, unfortunately as this is a free trade country and according to law, if the company is registered and has an abn, it has every right to advertise.. Sad but true..

Unfortunately its not up to i-do to police the actions of their advertisers and its not up to us to ensure a business does the right thing by their clients.

Unfortunately we do not have that right... actually, as the general public, we do not have ANY rights as to how a company conducts its business, UNLESS the trade in question is Regulated..

BUT its up to the government and tribunals who have the power to block business' from re-registering, to actually take action and block companies/individuals from continually doing this so as to stop this shit from ever happening again.

As the general public, its issues like this which must be persued to the end which will prove to the federal or state governemnt that this industry needs a rehaul.

From general pricing through to marketing and sales practices, ive seen so much misleading information and ive heard so many horror stories thrown around, that its nauseating. Hell I'm about to take a brisbane company to Tribunal for copying material which they took from my website.. to a point of being stupid enough to leave my business name plastered on their site... its that bad.
Hell, one of the guys i know from my days of doing supplies also runs a video production company, and some guy in the US literally ripped his entire site and called it his own.. even to the point of ripping his testimonials and images..
Its absolutely crazy what people can get away with. But what can we do? Nothing.. we can bitch and moan but in the end, theres not much we can do.

Its sad, but its a fact of life that things like this will hapen, and will continue to happen until something is done about it. The biggest problem is that we are powerless to do anything about it, despite the fact that we might think that we're doing the right thing by the public, by steering people away from a particular company.
The courts however see this as being a vigilante and the legal system does not look kindly to that.

I just hope it all works out for Mrs_in_2006.. shes already paid for a service, shes at least entitled to get what she had already paid for.
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 11:46 PM

Studio-D - Thank you for your informed reply smile.gif

It's sad to hear that we brides really don't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to issues such as this.

I think we need more "Bridezilla's". Who better than an angry bride to shout and whinge and stamp our feet to get this industry regulated? biggrin.gif
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 07:25 AM

QUOTE(MsKara @ Mar 8 2007, 12:46 AM) View Post

I think we need more "Bridezilla's". Who better than an angry bride to shout and whinge and stamp our feet to get this industry regulated? biggrin.gif


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Posted 08 March 2007 - 02:46 PM

QUOTE(MsKara @ Mar 8 2007, 12:46 AM) View Post

Studio-D - Thank you for your informed reply smile.gif

It's sad to hear that we brides really don't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to issues such as this.



Well you do... its a Contract or General Agreement.. and like any contract however, it must be read, understood and agreed upon. The client must understand what their conditional requirements are for the contract to be fulfilled by the business in question.
In the case of production and arts (such as photo/video in this case) The goods must then be made to be of a deliverable state, for the business to fulfil said Agreement as demonstarated at the time of demonstation and or contract agreement

If in doubt, check out the Sale of Goods Act, available on the Dept Fair Trading website. Not sure about other states, but its definately on the NSW site

if in doubt, ask the business what any particular clause may imply and get that response in writing and keep it with your paperwork. You may have misread something, or maybe a clause contradicts another. With this, be sure you understand exactly what it means to the service you are paying for.

A contract is there to protect the business and the client, and it should be mutually beneficial to both parties. It should be clear and concise and not contradict itself. it should be accurate and fair, with the majority of its content and detail based on industry trends (i say trends, as there are no actual "standards" for Weddings you see.. hence the call for Regulation)

In the end, there is a tiny TINY percentage of bad eggs out there, and due to the sheer lack of numbers, Gov's dont see the wedding industry as requiring regulation. Most of the service providers out there are not only good at what they do, but they stick to what they agree upon. if they cant stick to their agreements, they usually offer a form of compensation with no further need to take any further action either by the client or by the business against teh client.

There also the fact that Weddings are VERY personal and you cannot "black and white" any particualr service pertaining to weddings. Majority of weddings are customised to suit each particular clients needs and not based on generic services. Unlike building and many other trades such as electrical and the like, the wedding industry doesnt have the kind of "blanket" level of standard, be it quality of work or service provision in general.






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Posted 08 March 2007 - 02:52 PM

Studio-D the sad fact here is in Mrs_in_2006's case 333 has breached the written contract numerous times and seems to not be accountable for it. I'm not going to go into everything here but go and read her post about "The Name" and make up your own mind. What I'm saying is a contract is not the guarantee people are led to believe it to be.

I'm sure Jet would back me up on that. A contract, even fully paid for, isn't a dead set guarantee. It wasn't in her case, it hasn't been in Mrs_in_2006's case, and there are several other brides we're aware of who have a fully paid up written contract who are still waiting for their goods. One for more than four years and one for more than nine years! And they've all come out after the Age article.
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 03:22 PM

QUOTE(Decembergirl @ Mar 8 2007, 03:52 PM) View Post

Studio-D the sad fact here is in Mrs_in_2006's case 333 has breached the written contract numerous times and seems to not be accountable for it. I'm not going to go into everything here but go and read her post about "The Name" and make up your own mind. What I'm saying is a contract is not the guarantee people are led to believe it to be.

I'm sure Jet would back me up on that. A contract, even fully paid for, isn't a dead set guarantee. It wasn't in her case, it hasn't been in Mrs_in_2006's case, and there are several other brides we're aware of who have a fully paid up written contract who are still waiting for their goods. One for more than four years and one for more than nine years! And they've all come out after the Age article.


I do not doubt any of this, and ive been chatting to Mrsin22006 via pm for afew months now actually.. so i do know many of the details.
Thing is, as i keep saying, without regualtion, this will continue to happen.

Contracts can be a powerful thing, but again, it really depends on how theyre written.


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Posted 08 March 2007 - 03:26 PM

We hear you Studio-D.
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 05:52 PM

QUOTE(leabee @ Mar 8 2007, 04:35 PM) View Post

I had noticed an add for a Melbourne Studio the other day and was wondering if it was the same nutter, apparently I was right.


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Posted 08 March 2007 - 06:45 PM

QUOTE(Bellejazz @ Mar 6 2007, 10:54 PM) View Post
Fancy joining a Wedding forum just to harrass disgruntled former clients!
This chick must be some kind of stalking psycho nutbag!


Exactly what I was thinking.


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