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#31 Mz Sazzy Angel

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 03:37 PM

QUOTE (Christian @ Jun 20 2005, 07:37 PM)

Sorry Buster, did you misunderstand the context in which this was written? And I did say it was most (ie; 99%), not all.


If he's not charging extra for them then he's using this policy for competitive advantage (ie; to maintain or grow his business as mentioned before).

If he was getting enough work he wouldn't have to give them away - or he's one of the 1%. If he's charging you extra for the negs then that's just like paying for reprints anyway.

Geez Christian...just because a particular photographer doesn't do things like YOU does not mean that they are not professional or they are weak...I mean people could say that high paid photographers are "money hungry people" (this is an example) who only cares about finance and payments moreso than the creative art that they are meant to be taking...

I just think that generalisations like that is poor. In my original post yes, I was giving the opinion...that is what a forum is for. The person who posted this thread would then decide whether to take my advice or not...and having an advice column on this site you should know that not everyone agrees with the opinion that you have.

A negotiation is that...TRYING to get something! Compromising to gain or come to an understanding.
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#32 Christian

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 04:24 PM

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Geez Christian...just because a particular photographer doesn't do things like YOU does not mean that they are not professional or they are weak

I don't remember saying that - but feel free to mis-represent people's posts as you see fit. It's your opinion after all.

My statement about the policy of supplying negatives or otherwise as part of wedding photography packages is a general but fair observation of the industry from an insider's point of view with fifteen years experience.

The best photographers normally don't release the negatives - that is a fact. If you want to give people advice to totally ignore the best photographers simply because of a bloody-minded "I must have my negatives at all cost" attitude then be prepared for an alternate view.

My original post again:
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You may be excluding some very fine photographers if you have this attitude. For some photographers this is not negotiable. It's generally the low to middle end of the market that release the negatives.

It was just an alternate view.

BTW, just because I defend the "strong" does not mean that I am part of them. If you had done some research you would see that I have less in common with the "strong" than your careless assumptions insinuate.

I apologise for the hijack, luckygal.
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Posted 22 June 2005 - 10:37 PM

You definitely know how to protect yourself by saying 99% and 'normally'. I did a lot of research on finding photographers who supplied negatives and found 3 that I liked. They were all of a high standard and a 'strong' photographer so they must fit in that 1% that you are taling about.

The thing is, all B2B's meet with their photographer's and if they like what they see and offer the right package there doesn't seem to be a problem really. or do you want us all to book you? I certianly wouldn't just for the way you are writing your quotes. OK, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but you sound to bossy for the sort of photographer I am after!

Plus, I have found a fantastic one who fits in the 1% you are talking about as well as providing me with negatives!
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#34 Christian

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 12:25 AM

Buster don't be so defensive - take a good hard look at the context in which I used the terms "weak" and "strong" before you reply.

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I did a lot of research on finding photographers who supplied negatives and found 3 that I liked.  They were all of a high standard and a 'strong' photographer

To you I'm sure they were, but what about those other couples who are looking for the elite photographers (like Dekker, Monro, Mitrovich, Lee, Schembri, Graham, Oliver etc)? Should they ignore potential outstanding craftsmen simply because of their policy regarding supply of negatives?

For the final time - I simply wanted to point out that this attitude may significantly narrow your choice of talented craftsmen at the top end - what is so hard to comprehend about this statement?

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or do you want us all to book you?

What a ridiculous statement. If that were true do you think I would be so honest and open about the industry (regarding copyright etc)? Until this hijacked thread, I have NEVER referenced my business in this forum. Try re-reading this quote in the context of your statement:
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BTW, just because I defend the "strong" does not mean that I am part of them. If you had done some research you would see that I have less in common with the "strong" than your careless assumptions insinuate.



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you sound to bossy for the sort of photographer I am after!

...aren't we both lucky then?
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Posted 23 June 2005 - 10:51 AM

Ding, ding....round 1 over wink.gif

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 04:57 PM

QUOTE (tigz @ Jun 23 2005, 10:51 AM)
Ding, ding....round 1 over wink.gif

laugh.gif laugh.gif Tigz!

I can't be bothered for round 2 as I am perfectly happy with the work my photographer does and the fact I am getting the negatives! I am not particularly happy with the price but as christian says, you have to pay lots of money to get a strong photographer.


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Posted 23 June 2005 - 06:27 PM

QUOTE (Busterella @ Jun 23 2005, 04:57 PM)
you have to pay lots of money to get a strong photographer.

i dont think thats what he's saying at all...IMO christian is just trying to point out that there are some photographers who have been doing the job for many years and that are amazingly (for want of a better word) accomplished in their craft that aren't going to offer the negs in there package.

why?? cause they dont need to use it as a selling point...people are going to hire them because of who they are and the reputation they have.

i'm one of the "crazy" people that spent a fortune on my wedding photography because i wanted this particular photographers style and i knew that he was going to fit my very high standards...it was as simple as that...and i was going to pay what i had to to get it (being a photographer myself it was very important).

as long as you're happy with who you've hired then nothing else matters...but dont make a decision based on whether or not you'll get the negs because it could potentially write off the perfect photographer for you.
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#38 Penelope

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 10:06 PM

obviously in this thread, "strong" is just another term for expensive.


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Posted 24 June 2005 - 08:18 AM

QUOTE (Christian @ Jun 10 2005, 06:08 PM)
For No.3, the wedding is a chance to be a movie star rather than a commitment of love. I see them driving around Sydney's streets through Spring Time in a convoy of $150,000 Mercs or convertible Porsches - look at me!

oi completely off topic but, my husband owns a porsche, and we do not drive around the city saying "look at me".

he paid for his car and worked his proverbial butt off doing so. Don't generalise people into categories. Yes some people may be like that, but most of them, i.e. mark and I, arn't.

we had a rather elaborate wedding compared to a lot of girls here on i-do, and yes we have our parents to thank for that, but by no means did we ever justify our parents life savings, and think it was all for show, and to supposedly one up our friends.

mark and i love each very much, which alot of the girls on here can attest to, after everything that has happened to us during the last 12 months, and contrary to your opinion our wedding was about our love.

Also, the particular photographer that you are speaking about isn't even working in Australia anymore, he's based over in LA now.
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Posted 24 June 2005 - 09:21 AM

QUOTE (Janine @ Jun 24 2005, 08:18 AM)
Also, the particular photographer that you are speaking about isn't even working in Australia anymore, he's based over in LA now.

he might be based over in LA but he still works in australia...he flys between the 2 countries depending on where the work is.
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Posted 24 June 2005 - 11:48 AM

QUOTE (Janine @ Jun 24 2005, 08:18 AM)
oi completely off topic but, my husband owns a porsche, and we do not drive around the city saying "look at me".

he paid for his car and worked his proverbial butt off doing so. Don't generalise people into categories.  Yes some people may be like that, but most of them, i.e. mark and I, arn't.

we had a rather elaborate wedding compared to a lot of girls here on i-do, and yes we have our parents to thank for that, but by no means did we ever justify our parents life savings, and think it was all for show, and to supposedly one up our friends.

mark and i love each very much, which alot of the girls on here can attest to, after everything that has happened to us during the last 12 months, and contrary to your opinion our wedding was about our love.

Also, the particular photographer that you are speaking about isn't even working in Australia anymore, he's based over in LA now.

Janine,

As a car enthusiast I agree with you. I have had some fancy cars in the past and the choice was purely for self-indulgence so I understand where you are coming from.

My point was only about the "million-dollar wedding convoys" you see on any given Saturday in Spring on Sydney's roads - it wasn't a comment on people's private transport.

Your own wedding notwithstanding, convoys of convertible Mercs escorted by a couple of "outlaw" Harleys with a Ferrari-driving photographer in tow (Danny isn't the only one by the way - and I'm NOT questioning his professionalism) is a bit Bec and Lleyton don't you think?

PS. He has a studio in San Fran, not LA.
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Posted 24 June 2005 - 12:36 PM

no, cos at the end of the day, its what the couple want. whether they know that the photographer turns up in his ferrari or his gold rolls royce, is another question altogether, but if they've done their homework they'd know that this is part and parcel of booking that particular photographer.
particularly with these 2, every man and his dog knows that this is what they do. if you like their photographs and want them, bride and grooms will do anything to have them.
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Posted 28 June 2005 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE (Janine @ Jun 24 2005, 12:36 PM)
no, cos at the end of the day, its what the couple want. whether they know that the photographer turns up in his ferrari or his gold rolls royce, is another question altogether, but if they've done their homework they'd know that this is part and parcel of booking that particular photographer.
particularly with these 2, every man and his dog knows that this is what they do. if you like their photographs and want them, bride and grooms will do anything to have them.

Fair comments Janine.

I guess what I was getting at was that there appears to be some (perhaps only a few) clients of the top end of town for whom the "show" is more important than the core photography (with respect to value). I've had a few couples admit as much to me and suspect there may be more based on this sample.
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Posted 28 June 2005 - 09:15 PM

Wow - this was most certainly an interesting post to follow! I suppose it comes down to how much disposable income you or your parents have to spend on photographs, and whether you have an eye for photography and are willing to pay for the artistic visual representation privilege of having such a photographer or whether you are happy with finding someone who may not have that particular flair but still takes great photos.

You all make interesting points and what it does show is that you are all passionate about your wedding photos or about photography - if you are a photographer. That can only be good for wedding photography all round! biggrin.gif
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