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#16 Christian

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 06:03 PM

QUOTE (angel_seth @ Apr 26 2005, 11:11 PM)
Second do not settle for them to not give you the negatives...this will be so much more expensive for you...you just do not imagine the extra cost of having to go to them for reprints. Make sure that you negotiate this even if you pay a lil bit extra than their package ensure you have the negatives at the end.

You may be excluding some very fine photographers if you have this attitude. For some photographers this is not negotiable. It's generally the low to middle end of the market that release the negatives.
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 08:51 AM

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Please PM me if you're still looking for an affordable Sydney Photographer - I have one who comes highly recommended smile.gif

would love that bannabel - who is the affordable photographer?

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Posted 07 June 2005 - 04:55 PM

QUOTE (Christian @ Jun 6 2005, 06:03 PM)
You may be excluding some very fine photographers if you have this attitude. For some photographers this is not negotiable. It's generally the low to middle end of the market that release the negatives.

would you say a charge of $3300 is a low price for a photographer?? that is how much we are paying to get our negatives and that does not include receiving a final album just a proofs album
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE (Busterella @ Jun 7 2005, 04:55 PM)
would you say a charge of $3300 is a low price for a photographer??  that is how much we are paying to get our negatives and that does not include receiving a final album just a proofs album

Middle. Take another look at the wording in my original post. You will also note I said "generally" (meaning most but not all).
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 09:27 PM

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 04:57 PM

QUOTE (Christian @ Jun 7 2005, 06:01 PM)
Middle. Take another look at the wording in my original post. You will also note I said "generally" (meaning most but not all).

Wow, I am pleased I am not paying for an expensive photographer then as I would not be able to afford them. After I pay the $3300 for the day and then buy an album that will be about $5000. How much further can you pay?
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#22 Christian

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 06:08 PM

Some of the Boutique photographers often do packages into five figures.

However the Law of Dimishing Returns applies - you are not going to get twice the product/service for $10k over $5k.

My view is that people spending the big bucks do for a number of reasons:
1) They are VERY discerning and are willing to pay for a unique style.
2) They have plenty of money so price is no object.
3) They want to show-off to their friends by having their photographer turn up driving a Ferrari (look how much money I have to splurge - often it's their parents' life-savings).

For No.3, the wedding is a chance to be a movie star rather than a commitment of love. I see them driving around Sydney's streets through Spring Time in a convoy of $150,000 Mercs or convertible Porsches - look at me!

The money can be crazy - often these weddings cost over $100k of Mum & Dad's hard-earned dough (usually saved for over a life-time).
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 12:55 PM

QUOTE (Christian @ Jun 10 2005, 06:08 PM)
3) They want to show-off to their friends by having their photographer turn up driving a Ferrari

is this a cheeky way of mentioning a particular well known photographer?? lol
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 01:31 PM

QUOTE (lee_p @ Jun 14 2005, 12:55 PM)
is this a cheeky way of mentioning a particular well known photographer?? lol

No comment. wink.gif
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 03:09 PM

QUOTE (Christian @ Jun 14 2005, 01:31 PM)
No comment. wink.gif

lol...thought as such
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Posted 20 June 2005 - 12:08 AM

QUOTE (Christian @ Jun 6 2005, 06:03 PM)
You may be excluding some very fine photographers if you have this attitude. For some photographers this is not negotiable. It's generally the low to middle end of the market that release the negatives.

Hi Christian:
I wouldn't actually say that:"low to middle end of the market that release the negatives." What I said is MY OPINION and through other literatures I have read of weddings some authors/writers share my thoughts on that as well. I am simply saying as it's "recommended" by both Wedding book writers and Magazines that you at least try to negotiate the negatives otherwise it will cost a lot of money just for reprints/enlargements.

I have just gone to an expo today where now most PROFESSIONAL photographers are offering their negatives as most of them I quote: "Do not make their money of reprints!"

OR

They shoot digital and give you the option of having it in a high res cd...which in another words...DIGITAL NEGATIVES!

So therefore, I think that it's unfair for you to really comment on the fact that these are low to medium photographers...if that's the case the public obviously likes the low to medium photographers better than the so-called high class"fine photographers" as there has been many that has been recommended in this forum that were there today who offers their negs whether it be digital or film.
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Posted 20 June 2005 - 01:05 PM

QUOTE (angel_seth @ Jun 20 2005, 12:08 AM)
Hi Christian:
I wouldn't actually say that:"low to middle end of the market that release the negatives." What I said is MY OPINION and through other literatures I have read of weddings some authors/writers share my thoughts on that as well. I am simply saying as it's "recommended" by both Wedding book writers and Magazines that you at least try to negotiate the negatives otherwise it will cost a lot of money just for reprints/enlargements.

I have just gone to an expo today where now most PROFESSIONAL photographers are offering their negatives as most of them I quote: "Do not make their money of reprints!"

OR

They shoot digital and give you the option of having it in a high res cd...which in another words...DIGITAL NEGATIVES!

So therefore, I think that it's unfair for you to really comment on the fact that these are low to medium photographers...if that's the case the public obviously likes the low to medium photographers better than the so-called high class"fine photographers" as there has been many that has been recommended in this forum that were there today who offers their negs whether it be digital or film.

You didn't use the words "recommended" or "try to negotiate the negatives" in your original post - instead it was rather blunt advice not to consider photographers with such policies.

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Second do not settle for them to not give you the negatives...this will be so much more expensive for you...you just do not imagine the extra cost of having to go to them for reprints. Make sure that you negotiate this even if you pay a lil bit extra than their package ensure you have the negatives at the end.


I thought it was quite poor advice in the context that the best photographers generally do not supply the negatives or high-res digital images as part of their offering.

Furthermore, many of the best photographers choose not to attend wedding photography expos, which may be why you have found an unusually high sample of those photographers whom do trade in negatives.

There's no doubt that reprints are good business for photographers - you would find that 99% of them would hold on to them if they could. The fact is that the weaker photographers use them as leverage to build or maintain their business in a very competitive marketplace - against the stronger photographers whom can dictate such terms because of the perceived high quality or unique style of their offering.

I accept that for many of you, the standard of work offered by these weaker photographers (comparatively speaking only - no disrespect intended) meets or exceeds your expectations, thus the supply of negatives has become a common negotiation chip among these vendors.

My original advice still stands. You may be ruling out some very fine photographers by having this attitude - particularly if the likelihood of ordering additional prints for your family (remember your own prints will normally be included with the package) is low.
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Posted 20 June 2005 - 04:47 PM

QUOTE (Christian @ Jun 20 2005, 01:05 PM)

There's no doubt that reprints are good business for photographers - you would find that 99% of them would hold on to them if they could. The fact is that the weaker photographers use them as leverage to build or maintain their business in a very competitive marketplace - against the stronger photographers whom can dictate such terms because of the perceived high quality or unique style of their offering.


I wouldn't say my photographer is weak. In fact he does a lot of magazine shoots and covers and he offers his negatives.
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#29 Christian

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 07:37 PM

QUOTE (Busterella @ Jun 20 2005, 04:47 PM)
I wouldn't say my photographer is weak.  In fact he does a lot of magazine shoots and covers and he offers his negatives.


Sorry Buster, did you misunderstand the context in which this was written? And I did say it was most (ie; 99%), not all.

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comparatively speaking only - no disrespect intended

If he's not charging extra for them then he's using this policy for competitive advantage (ie; to maintain or grow his business as mentioned before).

If he was getting enough work he wouldn't have to give them away - or he's one of the 1%. If he's charging you extra for the negs then that's just like paying for reprints anyway.
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Posted 20 June 2005 - 07:46 PM

Annabella can you PM me too?




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