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#16 Vicki

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 07:54 AM

Garry sometimes its not what you say but how you say it, I found your tone rude I didnt actually read what you said because the first few lines turned me off that is why I posted that you were rude no other reason
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Posted 14 March 2005 - 08:17 AM

I accept that some people do have reasonable experiences with m0byd1sc, and Peta's post above brought back a memory of one DJ I saw a few times working for m0byd1sc who had a real enthusiasm for what he did (but he was the only one - the rest of them didn't - they were just "plodders" you might say) and this ONE particular DJ did get better at DJing over a period of time - but he was still of course given m0byd1sc's same totally basic "no frills" disco system every time. He was the one who told me that m0byd1sc DJs don't even own their own music - the company gives every DJ the same one small case containing exactly the same fairly limited collection of CDs, and this collection is all the songs on their request list, which therefore is also fairly small - about 10 pages, whereas one other company I know has 60 pages. Many DJs I saw from other companies brought half a dozen cases of CDs with them - some of the very best ones brought even more, say 8 or 10, not just ONE case like the m0byd1sc DJs are given.

Anyway, eventually this particular mobyd1sc guy turned up at our hotel working for another disco company, and he explained to me that he had used m0byd1sc to do his DJ "apprenticeship" so to speak. He told me that he applied to a lot of disco companies when he started out, but only m0byd1sc would take him on because he had no experience - but naturally they also offered the lowest wages. Obviously that would be one of the key factors in why m0byd!sc is always able to quote the lowest package price. He told me that he was now earning nearly $100 more working for this other company, and that during the two years or so he worked for m0byd!sc he had been building up his own music collection. Naturally, all "proper" DJs have their own music collection - they don't need the company to supply the music - just like plumbers, carpenters etc own their own tools. The other thing he commented on was how much easier it made his job to be DJing on a more sophisticated "proper" disco system, with genuine "pro-audio" sound equipment, and much better lighting.

I would say that Peta, and any others who report an OK performance thru m0byd1sc were the lucky ones, since there are always exceptions to every rule. They probably got a DJ in a similar position to the guy I mentioned above - someone on the way up who was determined to do better (and earn more). So human nature being the way it is, no doubt any "good" DJs m0byd1sc do get move on as soon as they can to where they can earn more money, and m0byd1sc then replaces them with another "apprentice" DJ. Surely that makes sense.

The fact that m0byd1sc are the cheapest is the main reason why some venues include them in their package like they did with Peta. It obviously helps the venue keep its package price down if they employ the cheapest company they can find.

The other thing is, people just don't use DJs very many times in their lives, so what they are happy with, that is their judgement of what they believe is really good is pretty much based on not having seen anything that was better. Who can tell what might have happened if they had used another company where the DJs are more experienced and the disco system is better quality, more lighting etc? All I can say is that unlike the average person, because of my job I have seen close to 1,000 functions that I managed, and of those lets say 75% had mobile DJs. The ones who hired m0byd1sc (maybe 50 or 60 of those functions) always got the smallest sound systems, the least amount of lights (only one home-made light) and the most amateurish DJs - with just the one exceptions of the guy I mentioned above and he was pretty rough when he started out, but at least he had the drive to improve - most of them don't.

Please accept that I only mention all this for one reason. I have seen the sad, disappointed faces on too many people who thought they had their function organised down to the last detail, only to be let down by poor quality entertainment, usually from the lower priced disco companies, so I am saying don't take risks - spend another $100 or $150 or whatever it takes to get a "GOOD" disco package, not a toy, and a "proper" DJ not some "plodder". As I have outlined above, check out as many disco companies as you can - do your homework.

Oh and vickichiki I apologise if you found me a little blunt - just the way I type I guess, no offence intended - "nothing but the facts ma'am" to quote some old movie whose name I've forgotten rolleyes.gif

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 08:23 AM

QUOTE (garry @ Mar 14 2005, 08:17 AM)
I would say that Peta, and any others who report an OK performance thru m0byd!sc were the lucky ones, since there are exceptions to every rule. They probably got a DJ in a similar position to the guy I mentioned above - someone on the way up who was determined to do better (and earn more). So human nature being the way it is, no doubt any "good" DJs m0byd!sc do get move on as soon as they can to where they can earn more money, and m0byd!sc then replaces them with another "apprentice" DJ. Surely that makes sense.

Just to let you know that our DJ had been working for Moby Disc for about the last 10 years and far from an "apprentice"

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 09:04 AM

Well I don't want to go on & on with this, I have no axe to grind here, but Peta I truly have seen m0byd1sc 50 to 60 times, whereas you have seen them only once. Compared to any other disco companies, based on the standard of their DJs and the quality of their disco systems, they fall well short of ANY other companies and I just would not recommend them. Of course your venue is going to say there have never been any complaints about them - it would be madness for them to have told you anything else, because then they might not have got your booking.

Now please feel free to correct me if any of this is untrue. The m0byd1sc DJ console only has 2 walkman CD players, not proper DJ CD players, it just sits on a keyboard stand, it has their name in big white letters across the front (which I think is very tacky), the speakers are not even knee-high and there is only one light provided - and that is home-made - 6 bare coloured spotlights in a rectangular wooden box painted black. If you can't remember exactly maybe you have a photo from your reception.

From talking to many, many DJs & many disco company operators for over 10 years I know that m0byd1sc DO pay their DJs by far the lowest wages - so why your guy would stay with them 10 years if he was really any good I have no idea - his choice - but I'm glad for your sake he was good and I hope you had a brilliant day. Again, he was the exception to the rule. And you did help me prove the point I made about m0byd1sc DJs having only one CD case containing a fairly limited collection of music - I see you have written that you had to provide the DJ with some of your own CDs. Surely if he has been a DJ for 10 years this shouldn't be necessary.

Anyway, it's not just me who has a fairly negative opinion of m0byd1sc - there is a previous thread in this "Entertainment" section with at least a dozen complaints about them - and significantly, one of those people is another person who worked in a venue & saw them many times. "Where there is smoke, there is fire". This is the thread: http://community.i-d...showtopic=10527

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 10:58 AM

I had Moby disc a few years ago for my 21st...and the DJ was shocking. He didn't play any of the songs I wanted ...he kept saying that he knew what the people wanted to hear and it wasn't the songs I wanted....so I ended up arguing with him.

That was my bad exp. with them...but I can't speak on behalf of the whole company as I'm sure there are some great DJ's there.

I'm in Sydney, so I can't offer any other suggestions.
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Posted 16 March 2005 - 09:51 AM

Garry, I find your advice extremely helpful. I am in the process of sourcing a dj. I am in Sydney but our wedding will be in Fremantle, WA so am not able to meet with anyone or check out their set-ups (only via website or email).

Music is a massively important part of our wedding; we are not too fussed on the formalities (speeches, cake cutting etc) but definately want it to be a party! That means good music, dancing and drinking. If we had a dj who did not entertain or played songs we did not like, I would be devestated (how many good parties die when someone changes the cd?!)

Do you have any suggestions for me? Someone in Fremantle/Perth that you can recommend? We also want the dj as our mc.

Thanks for any help you, or anyone else who has used a dj in Fremantle, can offer!!

PS what is the 'average' price for a dj? I just received one quote for $700, is this normal?

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 12:21 PM

Hi Banana Pancakes (gotta love that nickname!). I'm glad to be of any assistance I can. Based on Melbourne prices I would say $700 is a little high - I'm guessing it's an operator with only one or two systems, who therefore has to charge more in order to make enough to make his business viable, whereas a business with say half a dozen systems could provide the same standard of equipment & DJs but charge say $500 - but because they have 6 systems that business would still be reasonably profitable - a lower profit per system but more systems equals more turnover.

Now as to how to proceed to find a "GOOD" DJ/disco package:

Firstly go to yellowpages.com.au and search "Disc Jockeys - Mobile" for the Greater Perth area. I just did & there are 149 results for disco companies. Of those probably 100 or maybe even 120 would be one person businesses - "hobby" DJs who only own one set of equipment that they keep in their garages. So the first page and a half of results is probably all you need to ring, plus 21 of the listings on that first page and a half have web-sites you can look at. The main thing you want to see is photos of functions, and not just photos of people dancing, you also want to see photos of the complete disco system in action, so you can see clearly exactly what you are being offered. "A picture is worth a thousand words". So ring all the businesses on that first page and a half, even if you can only ring 4 or 5 a day so that it ends up taking you several days to get thru to everyone of them - it's in your own interest after all - & then get the ones who sound the best to send you all their info - and do make sure that you specifically ask for photos of their set-up so you can see if their stuff is the real thing or some "toy". Also look at what they all say about their DJs, their music lists, their sound equipment & their lighting - if you find there are not enough details in the stuff they send out to you, then ring them again and ask for clarification of those details - DON'T book anyone who leaves you uninformed in ANY area. Ask if you can bring your music selections to them at least a week before the reception so that they can then allocate you their DJ who best suits your music taste, THEN ask if they can get that DJ to call you just so you can touch base. You don't really need an in person meeting, but you DO need to have a chat with your DJ on the phone for your own piece of mind, and to iron out any specific details and/or requirements you have, particularly if that DJ is to be your MC on the night.

You could also go to your nearest Post Office and actually look at the "Disc Jockeys - Mobile" section in the Perth Yellow Pages directory - every Post Office would have one. Then you can physically see for yourself which are one line listings (they would be the "hobby" DJs) while the larger ads would probably be more likely to be full-time businesses. Hopefully the Post Office would photocopy that page(s) for you and you could take them home to study at your leisure.

So get brochures, booklets, photos - everything you can that "nails it down" as to EXACTLY what they offer.

If you do your homework properly you will soon suss out the companies who cut corners. I mean there are only four things you need to find out about:

1. Their DJs - where do they get them from, how experienced are they, have they done any regular pub/club work - that is, not just as function DJs but as actual resident weekly venue DJs playing to the general public - these are "proper" DJs. Even if a mobile DJ has been doing mobile discos at functions for 10 years, that doesn't necessarily mean he is any good - because function DJs always have a captive audience - venue DJs don't. If customers don't like a venue DJ they don't stay long - they leave that venue & go somewhere else, whereas that doesn't happen at a private function - the guests mostly stay to the end even if the DJ is a "dud". So a DJ who has proven himself in venues is always better.
2. Their music info - do they send out charts & lists for you to choose what gets played, how many pages of lists do they provide (obviously the more pages the better the choices you will have) and do their collections span all musical eras. The "all eras" part is important because there are nearly always 3 generations at a wedding reception, and it's nice if they all get up to dance at some stage, even if it's not for long smile.gif
3. Their sound equipment - Is it all "proper" disco gear - that might sound silly, but lots of companies only use "home stereo" type sound equipment instead of the good stuff - so ALWAYS ask if any of the sound equipment is "domestic" or is it genuine "pro-audio" equipment like pubs & clubs use.
4. Lighting - some people underestimate the effect it can have, but from my observation the companies with some decent disco lighting got LOTS more people up dancing than the ones who brought so little lighting that we couldn't even dim down our normal room lights. With those companies we really had no choice but to leave our normal room lights turned on - which really does seem to inhibit people from dancing - but we couldn't have them tripping over the furniture or each other. So ask each company how many lights they include, and also ask if they are genuine disco effects that pubs/clubs use, lights that actually move, NOT home-made lights like m0byd1sc's are, or plastic rope-lights like you see around the edges of some shop windows, or $9 coloured garden floodlights which is all that far too many companies use.

As to price - leave out anyone under $400 - they will be cutting lots of corners for sure, but as I said up the top $700 is too high. Anyone from $450 to $550 is probably of a fairly high standard.

So hopefully you find some of those ideas/guidelines helpful. It's like I said above - don't be left in the dark about even the tiniest detail. Ask question after question til you are sure - you are the customer and you have the right to know.

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 01:22 PM

Thanks so much for all of your advice. It is really helpful to know what criteria I should base my decision on. I was just going to pick the one with the best-looking website!!
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Posted 16 March 2005 - 01:50 PM

Garry wasn't actually the one who started this topic, he just added an opinion, so it's not really fair to have a go.

He is giving his point of view, same as other people who have had experiences with this supplier or any other supplier. Just because he is not a 'bride' or a wedding planner should not make his comment any less valid.

I, for one, find it very helpful as I am new this wedding organisation stuff (guess what - I've never planned a wedding before!) so any hints or suggestions are welcome, as far as I am concerned.

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 02:44 PM

I would have to agree with Banana Pancakes, that Garry was just giving his opinion. I thought that he got his point across clearly.
From my experience he is quite right in what he is saying and his advice on how to pick a good dj was excellent.
The only problem that I would have to point out is I think that he is out in the amount that you should be paying......
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Posted 16 March 2005 - 03:04 PM

(This reply, and the two posts above it, by banana pancakes and ET2 were all written in reply to beautybug, who has since deleted her post)

beautybug, as I stated quite clearly above, my info/opinion is based on what I know only about Melbourne prices - so it can of course only be a "guesstimate" when it relates to Perth. Hence the advice I give to get info from as many companies as you can - then any bride can see for herself what the price range is in her particular part of Australia. And no, I'm not a supplier, I'm a former publican with 10 years experience running nearly 1,000 functions of which about 75% had DJs - so lets say I've seen DJ/disco packages about 750 times. Given that experience I feel that I am more than justified in making the statement I made above, "Compared to any other disco companies, based on the standard of their DJs and the quality of their disco systems, they fall well short of ANY other companies and I just would not recommend them."

It's only commonsense that anyone who chooses the cheapest company, with the most amateurish/lowest paid DJs, using the most basic sound system and only one home-made disco light, must accept that they are taking a larger risk. Is it somehow rude or impolite to tell the truth here? Aren't we here to help?

I gave up running pubs late last year because of the 15 to 16 hour days I was putting in, and now own two upmarket restaurants here in Melbourne. My hours are much shorter and I no longer have to be as "hands on" as I was in the pubs. And we do not run private functions in either restaurant, so I have no "axe to grind" as I mentioned earlier. I merely offer my observations in an effort to be of some assistance in an area where I could see some "insider" knowledge would be helpful. Surely you don't see any bias in any of the guidelines I have laid out to assist people thru the virtual minefield that choosing a DJ can be? As a function co-ordinator surely you would agree that the wrong choice of DJ/disco package can have a HUGE negative effect on the atmosphere of any reception?

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 09:27 PM

QUOTE (garry @ Mar 16 2005, 12:21 PM)


You could also go to your nearest Post Office and actually look at the "Disc Jockeys - Mobile" section in the Perth Yellow Pages directory - every Post Office would have one. Then you can physically see for yourself which are one line listings (they would be the "hobby" DJs) while the larger ads would probably be more likely to be full-time businesses.

There's also something to be gained from looking at the size of ad.

If I take my local Yellow Pages I find that Mobydisk have the loudest biggest largest ad whereas the most reputable local DJ has a smaller, more modest ad. He doesn't need to spend as much on a yellow pages ad or advertising in general becuse he gets so much business through word of mouth. The same general rule of thumb probably holds true for photography, video, celebrants, reception venues, etc.
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Posted 16 March 2005 - 09:53 PM

Zen is absolutely correct - you could say m0byd1sc (and AT LEAST two other companies here in Melbourne) are the K-M@rts or T@rgets of disco companies. Like those companies, they constantly self-promote in a big way. Just like there are new K-M@rt & T@rget catalogues in your letter-box nearly every week but only a couple of times a year from My@r and almost never from Dav!d J0nes.

In our 2005 Melbourne Yellow Pages there are 6 companies who have taken out the very biggest ads - m0byd1sc is one of them as are two other el cheapo companies I mentioned above who also provide the absolute bare minimum. Yet the company we always recommended has an ad which, although it is not a small ad as such, nevertheless is still quite a good deal smaller, even though they are just as big a company as the biggest 3 of those 6 companies with the largest ads, and are substantially bigger than the other 3 companies. But because of reasons like Zen suggests - mainly because of referrals/recommendations they get from lots of previous customers and their guests and friends and also from lots of venues ("word of mouth" as Zen says) then they therefore didn't/don't need to generate as many "cold" enquiries from sources like Yellow Pages - since they DON'T burn a room full of potential customers nearly every time they perform. So basically that is why the companies who provide the best usually don't need such a big ad as their corner-cutting competitors.

BTW, even with recommendations from venues, you still need to be careful. When venues are including a DJ/disco system in their price, they will usually have chosen that company NOT on merit, but solely because they are the cheapest, just so their total price for everything can be as low as possible so they have the best chance of you accepting their quote.

And even when they are not actually including the disco package in their price, the function manager may be recommending a particular company because he/she is being paid say a $50 commission (bribe?) on every booking, so once again, they would not be recommending the company on merit, but simply because they are making $50 out of it themselves. Over the course of my 10 years in pubs, several companies offered me this type of "kickback" to recommend their services - but I was not interested. In fact it made me angry so I told them to p!ss off basically. I carefully watched what went on at functions for well over a year before I decided on a company to recommend, based solely on how much the people enjoyed themselves. I only wanted to recommend a company that would contribute to our efforts and enhance our reputation as a quality venue, and eventually I decided on one, and I'm pleased to say that they never let us down.

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Posted 17 March 2005 - 09:52 AM

I want to make a few comments on this. I booked the cheapest DJ for our london wedding - even the cheap one's charge about $1600 - but I sourced him myself, chose him cos he was NOT a wedding DJ but a Club DJ, with lots of experience. he even gave me a list of his upcoming club gigs so i could watch him perform. He had great lighting, sound etc etc. So cheapest is not neccessarily a bad option.

For the wedding blessing back in oz, I booked mobydisc. I found them a bit unprofessional from the start. I then saw an ad in one of the major papers advertising for new DJ's for this company, it stated "no experience, music or equipment required" "start straightaway" etc etc. For obvious reasons i cancelled the booking! Sure you may get a hobby DJ who is very good at his job but what if you were to get one of these newbies???

Last point: the musical entertainment is NOT the highlight of your day. sure it's important, but your guests have come to see you, not to expect a top class boogie.
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Posted 17 March 2005 - 10:54 AM

Our DJ (in Sydney) cost $400...and he was great !!

I must agree, $700 does seem a little high.
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