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Posted 16 December 2004 - 09:52 AM

Hi Girls,

I'm a bit worried about going to Bali for our honeymon next month due to all the travel warnings they released yesterday in regards to report of terror attacks on International hotels...

I don't want to change our honeymoon as we both are really looking forward to it - but on the other hand we want to go somewhere safe..

What do you girls think?? Would love to hear what you would do????

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Posted 16 December 2004 - 11:25 AM

You know, I saw the warning on TV last night, and immediately thought "oh no, I bet a few i-do girls have booked their honeymoon there!!"

I really have no advice for you, Peta. I couldn't say "go, you'll be fine, what are the chances...", because that is something you guys have to decide for yourself, Only you can be in charge of your safety in this kind of situation.

I think it is ok to ask people what they would do in the same situation, but it's not ok to ask them what you should do. How could people live with themselves it they told you to go, and something happened to you?

Personally, though, I would not go to Bali (that's just me!)

In saying that, there is danger everywhere. Where are you really 100% save? Not even in your own home.

Good luck with your decision.

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Posted 16 December 2004 - 11:44 AM

mmm, spend sas much time as possible away from the hotel? Probably not much help but that's all I can think of - I'm sure there are so many things you will want to see/do anyway...

My feeling would be to go anyway and hope for the best, not sure if I really would though!

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Posted 16 December 2004 - 11:57 AM


Thanks Girls..

I have spoken to a few people at work and they have put my mind at ease.. We went to Thailand last year the same time as the APEC meeting and similar warnings were given and we were fine.

I think we will wait to closer to the date and see how things are going - hopefully nothing major will happen.

Grrrr at terrorist for making us live in fear and deciding if we should go somewhere... It is the people that live in these countries that I really feel for - they have to live there and we are deciding if we should go there for 11 days... Can't begin to image what it would be like walking on egg shells wondering if something was going to have.... sad.gif


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Posted 18 December 2004 - 11:21 AM

Hi Sweet,

I was thinking about you the other day when they released the warning. Remember we had this discussion a few months ago as well?

If it gets to the stage where the warning is upgraded or you don't fell comfortable going, I'm sure your travel agent will pull a rabbit out of the hat and find you somewhere just as good!

I hope it all blows over by the time we are married. Try not to stress.

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Posted 18 December 2004 - 02:52 PM

i am going to Bintan, which is a resort island of Indonesia for New Year's. it is really tiny but just gorgeous. the chances of any one bombing there are very remote because there arent really any places where groups could cluster

so if you do decide to go somewhere else you could always go there, there is another island close by too but i cant remember the name. plus it is only a 45min boat ride from singapore so if it isnt exciting enough for you, you can pop over to singas for the day and explore - AND THEN if you still are a bit bored you can pop over from singas to malaysia which is a 30min bus ride over the 'river'

so there are plenty of options. and you have to think that the police know that bali is a place terrorists might focus on and so what are the chances they will get away with it with so many police looking around??

your decision though of course

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Posted 18 December 2004 - 03:00 PM

Hi Peta
If it eases your mind any when we were booking our honeymoon I had lots of people tell me not to go there so i spoke to the travel agent who was very good and he was saying there are warnings everywhere you go and believe it or not from overseas the warning to come to australia are stronger than bali.
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Posted 18 December 2004 - 03:26 PM

QUOTE (Ren76 @ Dec 18 2004, 03:00 PM)
i spoke to the travel agent who was very good and he was saying there are warnings everywhere you go and believe it or not from overseas the warning to come to australia are stronger than bali.

This is correct. If you were in the USA and thinking of visiting Australia you would get the same advisary for visiting here as Bali.

I hope that your trip is safe Kylie and my advice is that you have to do what makes you confortable.

Stay safe smile.gif

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Posted 20 December 2004 - 08:21 AM

QUOTE (Ren76 @ Dec 18 2004, 03:00 PM)

Whaats that old expression "lightning never strikes twice in the same place"

This is totally incorrect for Indonesia, lightning just keeps striking.

The travel warnings so far have predicted all three attacks in Indonesia. Remember, there was Bali (for which a travel warning was in place), the Marriott (for which a travel warning was in place) and the Australian Embassy (yes, for which a travel warning was in place).

Yet so many travel agents still believe they know better than the Australian intelligence agencies that produce the travel warning. Ignoring this warnings is just insane to me.

Considering that Qantas and Garuda have offered full refunds, or the option to defer travel, and the travel warning explicity states an attack on international hotels I am amazed at why you would continue with the holiday when there are so many other similiarly priced, yet far safer options.

Add to this the community outrage after the Bali bombings about the Australian Governments lack of explict warnings. Now that you have them, the Government is accused of crying wolf (even though there has been two attacks, and a number of thwarted attacks since then).

There is an expectation that the Australian tax payer and private interests (such as Qantas) to pick up the pieces and come and get you when it all goes to custard.

And for what? A cheap holiday? I cannot fathom why someone would seek the ill informed advice of an internet forum, over the highly researched and resourced advisory of a Government travel warning just because they don't want to rebook their honeymoon.


I just can't figure it out.

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Posted 20 December 2004 - 11:06 AM

QUOTE (martini @ Dec 20 2004, 08:21 AM)


And for what? A cheap holiday? I cannot fathom why someone would seek the ill informed advice of an internet forum, over the highly researched and resourced advisory of a Government travel warning just because they don't want to rebook their honeymoon.


I just can't figure it out.

I want to thank all your girls for your advice - I really do appericate it....

However this last comment has really got to me mad.gif ... It isn't a matter of not wanting to rebooked our honeymoon - it is the fact that we have both had our hearts set on going to Bali and not because it is a cheaper destination but cause we both want to go there.

I don't think for one moment that this is a ill informed forum - I really respect the advice for theses girls...

I wasn't asking anyone to make the decision on whether we should go or not - I was asking what people would do in the same situtation.

It is hard to make a decison based on something that may or may not happen and so I'm a little bit confused...

I have spoken to my travel agency who as I type is looking into whether changes can be made on our honeymoon. At this stage we are still going but if it gets worst it will be changed..


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Posted 20 December 2004 - 12:46 PM

Good luck with whatever you decide Peta!

Just wanted to add that my best mate is a travel agent and I know they are very careful not to tell someone a destination is safe/unsafe - they just have to go with the govt's warnings. And a lot of people get very very narky at their travel agent when things happen and warnings get issued, as if it was all their fault? I think people need to take some responsibility for their own decisions, and deciding what kind of risks they are willing to take.

And I think you are definitely doing that Peta, and good on you for doing it smile.gif

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Posted 20 December 2004 - 01:15 PM

QUOTE (Peta76 @ Dec 20 2004, 11:06 AM)

However this last comment has really got to me mad.gif ... It isn't a matter of not wanting to rebooked our honeymoon - it is the fact that we have both had our hearts set on going to Bali and not because it is a cheaper destination but cause we both want to go there. 

I don't think for one moment that this is a ill informed forum - I really respect the advice for theses girls...


In the same situation I simply wouldn't go. If I had my heart set on Bali then I would wait until the travel warning was downgraded.

I didn't mean to make you angry but I don't think that this forum can offer good advice about travel warnings. About wedding and honeymoons your all my first port of call but for travel advice? I will continue to heed the warnings and advice from DFAT.

Your right, it may or may not happen. The fact that airlines are prepared to allow travellers to amend their plans show that they take it pretty seriously - I would be too.

My badly put point is that these warnings are not issued to ruin anyones holiday or honeymoon nor are they issued without good reason (that may not be well known!). The flippant approach to such warnings from some posters is frustrating and potentially dangerous.

Sorry again.

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Posted 20 December 2004 - 02:24 PM

Martini,

I understand your point I was just a bit taken back by what you wrote. I was just asking what people would do. I do take the warnings very seriously that is why I was asking for advice... Especially after hearing the news last night...

We are going to wait until closer to the date and take it from there. We aren't staying at a International hotel and don't plan on going out much at night to pubs and clubs. My heart tells me that we will be okay - but theses days you just don't know.

I will let you know what we decided to do. I'm hoping they will down grade the warnings - only time will tell. unsure.gif








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Posted 20 December 2004 - 04:07 PM

I just got back from there from my honeymoon! I was shocked to hear the news.

It depends on where you are staying...

If you're in Kuta or Nusa Dua the risk would be higher. If you were staying further out, you'd be fine. Get a driver when you want to go out, as its cheap, and you can get in and out of those main areas quicker.
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Posted 20 December 2004 - 04:23 PM

i'd have to say that in the light of recent developments i would definitely cancel my holiday there.

sure travel warnings do sometimes seem to be handed out over frequently but what if something was to happen.....

in my opinion - AND PLEASE NO ONE BITE MY HEAD OFF, it's just MY opinion, i don't think that australians are taking the terrorist threat seriously. i think that's partly because unless you've had a terrorist attack on your own soil it's hard to appreciate the great danger iykwim. obviously i hope to god we never have to experience this.

i know that bali bombings affected australia tremendously but if you look at world politics over the years, when a country is directly attacked it tends to change the behaviour and attitude of the people almost overnight

but coming from a country where terrorist warnings are very frequent i've got used to listening to the advice and exercising as much caution as i can. growing up in ireland we would have maybe 2-3 times a year where we would be on high alert. and until the situation difused our family would not go into very public places, shopping malls etc as we'd decided it just wasn't worth it. we were probably over cautious but i'd take being over cautious and paranoid over being dead any day!

i think you're being sensible thinking so much about it. i don't agree that you're ignoring the warnings or else you wouldn't be on here talking about it blink.gif

if you don't feel comfortable going, wait till it's a bit safer. if you do end up going at least you're making an informed choice.

good luck and hope you have an amazing honeymoon no matter where you go




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