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#1 KiJo

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:51 PM

I'm having a bad day today & need some advice!

N is & has always been a great night sleeper. Since about 6.5weeks old he's been sleeping 730-4 overnight, a quick feed & then back to bed til 7am.

But for the last 3 weeks we've been really struggling with his day sleeps. He will self settle with minimal fuss, but is pretty much guaranteed to wake up after only 40minutes & nothing I seem to do (short of picking him up and rocking him back to sleep) works. Even rocking him back to sleep doesn't seem to work the last week and once he's awake he stays awake until his next feed.

Right now it's 2pm & he's had 2x40min sleeps since 7am.

All he seems to do at the moment is whinge/cry when he's awake as he's tired.

Advice?
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:05 PM

I'm keen to hear other suggestions....I can't offer any advice, as clearly breastfeeding her back to sleep caused my DD more issues in the long run. For our family we won't do that again, and I think for the next one I would just try patting the mattress beside them / white noise etc....

Totally understand how sh!t it feels, I've been there before too!!
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:32 PM

Leo didn't sleep for longer than 40 minutes during the day until he was 6 months old. I tried everything. It's rare that a baby sleeps more than 40 minutes during the day before they start consolidating sleeps at 4 months in my experience.

ETA: I know I wanted to punch people in the face who gave me answers like the above when Leo was little. Sorry wink.gif
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

My DD slept very well overnight from a young age but only ever 45 mins during the day until she was about 10 months old. However she was in a pattern of awake for 1.5 hours, asleep for 45 mins throughout the day and when she was up she was happy.

My son did the typical 2-3 hour day sleeps but woke 2-3 times overnight until he was 15 months.

Given a choice between the two I would opt for DD's pattern.

I always found resettling very frustrating and unsuccessful. Embracing shorter, more frequent sleeps was better for both of us.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:37 PM

QUOTE(la_jeune_mariée @ Jan 29 2013, 02:32 PM) View Post

Leo didn't sleep for longer than 40 minutes during the day until he was 6 months old. I tried everything. It's rare that a baby sleeps more than 40 minutes during the day before they start consolidating sleeps at 4 months in my experience.

ETA: I know I wanted to punch people in the face who gave me answers like the above when Leo was little. Sorry wink.gif



QUOTE(Mel B @ Jan 29 2013, 02:45 PM) View Post

My DD slept very well overnight from a young age but only ever 45 mins during the day until she was about 10 months old. However she was in a pattern of awake for 1.5 hours, asleep for 45 mins throughout the day and when she was up she was happy.

My son did the typical 2-3 hour day sleeps but woke 2-3 times overnight until he was 15 months.

Given a choice between the two I would opt for DD's pattern.

I always found resettling very frustrating and unsuccessful. Embracing shorter, more frequent sleeps was better for both of us.


What they said. From the mother of two crap day sleepers it's a battle not worth having until they are ready and even then it only works some of the time.

#6 Kerala

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:50 PM

QUOTE(la_jeune_mariée @ Jan 29 2013, 04:32 PM) View Post

Leo didn't sleep for longer than 40 minutes during the day until he was 6 months old. I tried everything. It's rare that a baby sleeps more than 40 minutes during the day before they start consolidating sleeps at 4 months in my experience.

ETA: I know I wanted to punch people in the face who gave me answers like the above when Leo was little. Sorry wink.gif


Do you mean my reply LJM or the content in you post?
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#7 KiJo

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:56 PM

Thanks girls. While there doesn't seem to be an easy solution it's good to know that we rnt alone in this.


QUOTE(Mel B @ Jan 29 2013, 05:45 PM) View Post

I always found resettling very frustrating and unsuccessful. Embracing shorter, more frequent sleeps was better for both of us.


I'm thinking this is what I may need to do. Because he's not sleeping for long, he only lasts about 1hr before wanting to go back to sleep again. In which case it's another 40min sleep.


QUOTE(Kerala @ Jan 29 2013, 06:50 PM) View Post

Do you mean my reply LJM or the content in you post?

I'm pretty sure she was referring to what she posted tongue.gif

LJM - I'm more inclined to slap people who gloat over how their babies sleep for ages during the day. wink.gif
Caught up for coffee with a girlfriend today who's DS is 8 weeks older than mine. Not only is her son sleeping great of a night, but he also has 2x2.5-3hr sleeps during the day, plus a 40 minute nap of an afternoon. Lets just say I couldn't have found a more worse timing for our catch up... Lol
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#8 la_jeune_mariée

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:25 PM

QUOTE(Kerala @ Jan 29 2013, 06:50 PM) View Post

Do you mean my reply LJM or the content in you post?


Sorry - I meant my response. I hated the breezy "it will sort itself out". I wanted answers dammit!


QUOTE(KiJo @ Jan 29 2013, 07:56 PM) View Post

Thanks girls. While there doesn't seem to be an easy solution it's good to know that we rnt alone in this.
cool.gif--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mel B @ Jan 29 2013, 05:45 PM) View Post</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
I always found resettling very frustrating and unsuccessful. Embracing shorter, more frequent sleeps was better for both of us.
I'm thinking this is what I may need to do. Because he's not sleeping for long, he only lasts about 1hr before wanting to go back to sleep again. In which case it's another 40min sleep.
I'm pretty sure she was referring to what she posted tongue.gif

LJM - I'm more inclined to slap people who gloat over how their babies sleep for ages during the day. wink.gif
Caught up for coffee with a girlfriend today who's DS is 8 weeks older than mine. Not only is her son sleeping great of a night, but he also has 2x2.5-3hr sleeps during the day, plus a 40 minute nap of an afternoon. Lets just say I couldn't have found a more worse timing for our catch up... Lol


Drop her as a friend immediately! laugh.gif
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:43 PM

I've had one of each - a catnapper, and a textbook sleeper.

No 1 was the catnapper, who didnt sleep through the night until she was 1. At about 8 weeks she settled into a pattern of 1.5-2hrs up and a 40 minute nap. When she was 6-7 months she dropped to 2 sleeps, both 40 minutes, and they gradually lengthened to 2 x 1hr sleeps. I tried it all, resettling, keeping her up longer, shorter, more stimulation, less stimulation, being held for the whole awake period, someone else putting her down, feeding to sleep, not feeding to sleep. Nothing worked, in the end it was easier to accept it and move on.

I also had a friend with a bub a month older than my first who self settled, did 2 hr day naps and slept through the night. It's demoralising. And it's always so much more noticeable when you've had a bad day with your bubs sleeps.

No 2, slept through from 8 weeks and while on 3 naps did 2 x 2hr and 1 x 40 minutes. Funnily enough when she dropped to 2 sleeps she did 2 x 1hr (that was a rude shock). Both girls were treated the same from birth in terms of what I did re sleep. No 2 is just a better sleeper. It was good to know that it was nothing I did or didn't do that caused no 1 to be a catnapper.

Also, all of the kids in my MG catnapped at some point when learning new skills (rolling, crawling, walking). I never new this until no 2 as no 1 catnapped the whole time.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:43 PM

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My DD slept very well overnight from a young age but only ever 45 mins during the day until she was about 10 months old. However she was in a pattern of awake for 1.5 hours, asleep for 45 mins throughout the day and when she was up she was happy.


This is what DD still does now - 40 mins during the day. Sometime I might be lucky and DD will nap for 1.5-2 hours. Then I don't know what to do with myself smile.gif

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Because he's not sleeping for long, he only lasts about 1hr before wanting to go back to sleep again. In which case it's another 40min sleep.


I found this too KiJo, DD was up for a little bit before wanting to sleep again. Some people suggested that I keep her up but frankly that just made her overtired and super cranky. I did find however, as she got a little bit older, she would start to stay awake for longer.

Right now at 8 month, DD will generally stay awake for around 2 hours before wanting to nap. Some days she has 3 naps, sometimes even 4. It doesn't seem to be the norm, but well, I just have to do what I have to do!

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:46 AM

I can only echo what the others have said. I decided it wasn't worth resettling after a 40 minute nap during the day. So she had lots of short naps until she grew out of it. Sometimes she's sleep longer but it was purely by chance!

She had a breast refusal stage as well so the 2 combined was so much fun wacko.gif
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:21 AM

Yep, I had another catnapper too. At about 6 months she started sleeping longer. I don't know whether it was just coincidence or not, but it started when we were on a loooong road trip. I thought it was maybe the lull of the car resettling her when she stirred. But who knows!

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:28 AM

Lucas was a daytime catnapper right up until about 10 months of age. To be honest, it never bothered me and I never tried to fix it as he was doing 12 hours straight overnight and he was a happy bubba during the day. I figured if I had the choice of a good daytime or night time sleeper, I'd choose the night time one. Once he was crawling and using more energy he settled into two naps a day of about 2 hours each and now has one day sleep of between 1 and 3 hours. I go by the philosophy of if they're content, just leave them to sort out what they need.

So in other words - no helpful advice from me. smile.gif

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:43 AM

QUOTE(goodgirl @ Jan 31 2013, 12:28 PM) View Post


I go by the philosophy of if they're content, just leave them to sort out what they need.

So in other words - no helpful advice from me. smile.gif


I would do this, but N is very whingy when he is awake, and I think it's because he's not getting enough sleep. Apart from the hour immediately after he feeds, if he's not asleep, he cries/whinges which I can't handle!
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:56 PM

J was a terrible catnapper - drove me crazy. He would go down very easily, but sometimes have 5 x 45 minute sleeps per day. He would always wake at 45 mins on the dot.
After a while I would let him sleep on me for at least one nap, as if he slept on me (or in car) he would sleep for 2 hours. I figured it was getting him in to the pattern of having at least one good sleep. He was also very grumpy and whingy in between sleeps, so I know he needed more.
Eventually (5.5 months) he was able to have longer sleeps and settled in to 2 x 2hr and 1x 45 min sleep. I used to pat, rock, feed, whatever to get him back to sleep and it worked eventually. It is so frustrating, hang in there.




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