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#1 sarah2010

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:30 PM

Nicholas is exclusively breastfed and is 2 months old today. He has always struggled to go a long time between feeds, mainly due to wanting to nurse to lessen the pain of his reflux, but now it seems a habit.

He drains both breasts at each feed and is fed as soon as he wakes. He has to eat as soon as he gets up because if his nap is too close to his last feed he will just reflux it all back up and gag and choke etc...

Once he finishes his feed and has had a play he yawns and gets whingy so I place him in his wrap and in his bassinet and he usually settles himself to sleep in less than 10 minutes. He always wakes after the first sleep cycle though and I have to assist him getting back to sleep otherwise he ends up hysterical. Sometimes patting and shhing will work but mostly I have to hold him for that second cycle (very hard to do with a 20 month old destroying your house at the same time!)

But sometimes he just doesn't want a bar of the second sleep cycle at all and just gets really cranky and wants to feed. This then means that he doesn't feed properly and he falls asleep on and off between the feeds and gets really really cranky when you remove him from the breast.

I had someone yesterday tell me he should be going 4 hours between feeds now but I just can't see it happening at all! He is 5.7kgs and 58cms long so he is a decent size baby.

DS1 was never exclusively breastfed due to reflux and projectile vomiting so I was always comp feeding and thickening feeds etc due to terribly poor weight gain so I feel like a first time mum regarding Breastfeeding.

Any ideas or comments or advice would really really be appreciated.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:30 PM

QUOTE(sarah2010 @ Aug 8 2012, 12:30 PM) View Post

I had someone yesterday tell me he should be going 4 hours between feeds now but I just can't see it happening at all! He is 5.7kgs and 58cms long so he is a decent size baby.


I don't have to much advice (DS was FF from 2 weeks) but please please please don't listen to this! I had a friend who's baby was very very close in age to DS (both first babies). She is very routine based (SOS) from birth and always harped on about 4 hour feeds which made me feel like I was doing something wrong. DS ended up settling into a 3 hour feed routine during the day at about 8 weeks and it was so much better for him having those slightly smaller bottles.

As for the settling to sleep, TBH nothing worked expect getting his medication right. Most of the time I couldn't even get him to sleep in his cradle, luckily he was put on a high dosage from the get go so we only had about two weeks gap till his throat was healed and the meds were working to their full effect.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:33 PM

PPPfffftttt - Who told you four hourly!!!!! My lil miss was going 2-3 hours at that age smile.gif

I only pushed her feeds out 4 hourly when she was about 4/5 months old and I got her in a routine as I needed a "routine" as I have kindy/school run and without a routine as such it was doing my head in!

And reflux - they like to have that comfort feed...and if he wakes up after the first sleep cycle can you pop bubs in a sling and walk around - a sling/carrier in those early days was a godsend smile.gif

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:45 PM

No advice Sarah, just thinking of you.

Re 4 hourly feeds. I didn't realize that that instruction manual fits all babies dry.gif

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 03:20 PM

Ok so should I try and get him to 3hrs from start of feed to start of feed then? He seems ok with that but I worry about my supply ....


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Posted 08 August 2012 - 03:59 PM

Sarah, I think SOS has a 4 hourly routine from about 8ish weeks (can't quite remember). I have loosely used SOS, but I haven't always stuck to the routines for age. There was no way my daughter could go 4 hours at that age (plus we were worried about her weight gains, so wanting to feed more often). She was 3 hourly during the day plus a dream feed and one overnight feed until at least 4-5 months. I think it might have even been 6 months before she went 4 hourly during the day. She was breastfed but with formula top-ups/supply line.

I think some babies can go longer between feeds from the start but not all. Sounds like you need to just trying to stretch the feeds a little at a time to see if you can get him to take a bigger feed and hopefully sleep a little longer. Maybe just stretch 10 or 15 mins at a time and see how you go? It's hard to stretch them out when they are demanding food so don't stress about it. Nicholas might just be more of a snacker (which is probably irritating for you).

Re your supply, supply is normally pretty settled by 8 weeks. I suspect you won't really have any problems going 4 hours between feeds. I had awful supply issues and I was really worried about that too but it didn't make that much difference. Dropping the night feeds made more of a difference for me, but even then I still probably had the same % of milk, she was just getting it in less feeds/day.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 04:27 PM

I probably would go with bubs lead at this stage smile.gif Assess in another month or so when he is 12 weeks old smile.gif By then he should be able to stretch 3 hourly - but there is no minimum to how frequent/how much babies need - they are all different...How is he overnight? Claire got most of her feeds in the day and then overnight woke up once at 3am for a feed with her last being at 9ish that night and then sleep till about 7ish smile.gif

Would make it so much easier if all babies came with the same manual and know what to do!!!

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 04:45 PM

Where can you buy such manual? I would have loved a manual twice over. laugh.gif

I know how draining it is to be feeding 2/3 hourly over a 24hour period, day in and out, but it does get easier I promise. He will eventually stretch out his feeds.

Both my boys fed 2-3 hourly day and night till nearly 4 months and were both decent sized babies. Now at 2 and 3.5 they still love their food.

I have never been one to follow exact routines and have always fed when I believe they are wanting to be. I really don't see any benefits in trying to stretch out feeding of an 8 week old baby.

Not the same thing - but I had to remind a friend a weeks ago that it wasn't normal that she was expecting her 8wk old to sleep through the night, just cause DS1 did from 4 weeks of age (and still is at 3). She's baffled why DS2 is awake every 3/4 hours to feed. Two different babies, two different schedules.

You've done this before, you have to give yourself some faith and credit that you're doing the right thing by your little guy. smile.gif

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE(~MG~ @ Aug 8 2012, 04:27 PM) View Post

I probably would go with bubs lead at this stage smile.gif Assess in another month or so when he is 12 weeks old smile.gif By then he should be able to stretch 3 hourly - but there is no minimum to how frequent/how much babies need - they are all different...How is he overnight? Claire got most of her feeds in the day and then overnight woke up once at 3am for a feed with her last being at 9ish that night and then sleep till about 7ish smile.gif

Would make it so much easier if all babies came with the same manual and know what to do!!!


This is pretty much how Nicholas is MG.

He will feed around 9.30-10pm for his last feed and then wake around 2am. He sometimes has a huge feed and wakes around 7am or sometimes has a 10 minute snack and is up again at 5am. Depends on the night.

During the day he is pretty good, I'm not complaining just trying to "get it right" but all your responses help me realize that I just probably should relax about it a bit more and go with the flow!
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:31 PM

What he is doing is pretty normal for his age. We basically did the same thing with Astrid. I was originally doing baby-led but we were made to go to timed feeds since she was not good at waking up and eating enough and at 8 weeks she was pretty much feeding 2-3 hourly during the day then a feed about 9-10pm and she would wake around 2-3am for another feed then it would be sometime between 5 and 7am. Rinse and repeat. When each feed took 1-1.5 hour I felt like I was feeding around the clock.

sounds like you are doing a good job smile.gif
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:31 PM

As a mum of two terrible refluxers: nothing you do will work until you can get his medication right and him comfortable. Until then you are chasing your tail, second guessing and walking on egg shells, so to speak. Once his meds are right you will find the pattern that suits you both and then you can try to shape the routine to suit you.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:38 PM

My suggestion at this age would just be to feed on demand or every 3-4 hours, whichever comes first. As for the settling/sleeping I second the PP who said get a sling/carrier and just wear him. If you get a good one and spend some time learning how to use it properly you can still play/tend to your toddler with your hands free and even breastfeed handsfree once you get the hang of it.

Working out what little ones need is hard, especially when everyone has their own opinion - good luck with it all!!
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:52 PM

Both mine didn't stretch to four hrly until 4 months a lot of other routine books suggest that as the time, but take bubs lead, I found that on a perfect day we could follow a "routine" that fit my bub but until about the 4 month mark there were lots of pear shaped days sleepwise, the main thing I focussed on was 3 hrly feeds (unless bub was hungry earlier or wanted a top-up - we would usually have cluster feeds of an evening) and getting a bedtime routine established, e.g. wrap, close curtains, cuddle and shhhh, put down/pat etc...

6-12 weeks was a pretty unsettled time for both my bubs and I spent a lot more time worried about their sleeps than I should have - longer naps and long stretches between feeds happened when bub was ready.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:02 PM

3-4 hourly feeds didn't mess with my supply. I know you had/have oversupply like I did, so chances are you'll be ok if little Nicholas can do 3 hourly feeds....

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE(sarah2010 @ Aug 8 2012, 12:30 PM) View Post


I had someone yesterday tell me he should be going 4 hours between feeds now but I just can't see it happening at all! He is 5.7kgs and 58cms long so he is a decent size baby.


change that "should" to "some babies can".

I've never dealt with reflux, but my DD1 went 3-3.5 hrly between breastfeeds during the day until she was established on solids and on 2 naps a day (around 7 ish months). She also catnapped and would not resettle. However she was good at night and would only wake once from about 3 -12 months or so. We did a loose version of feed, play sleep, which often resulted in play, feed, play sleep due to her catnaps.

DD2 at 2 months settled into a 4 hrly breastfeed pattern and slept 11 hours straight. She would cluster feed for about 2-3 hours beforehand though. Thankfully the cluster feeding only lasted a few weeks.

Dropping to 4 hrly feeds so soon with DD2 didn't hurt my supply at all, but I didn't have any excess for expressing like I did with DD1.

Just go with the flow and feed when he's hungry. I found that my 2 settled into a bit of a pattern after about 2 months, (which held for a few months then we had a new pattern as sleeps changed etc). I second the advice about a sling. I would always pop DD2 in the sling for her 3rd nap of the day - she was usually hard to settle for that nap anyway, but this meant she would drift off while in the sling and I still had 2 hands free for the toddler.

One of the biggest challenges I faced with DD2 was my expectation that she'd be the same as DD1. I still fall into that trap and she's 9 months old. Sounds like you're doing a great job - good luck with it all.

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