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#1 claire_p

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:48 AM

Liam has been day trained since his 3rd birthday so about 3 months now, but still wets at night in his nappy.

I didnt have this issue with Keira. She was day and night trained at the same time.

Where do I go from here? Do you think he is just doing wees because he can because he has a nappy on. If I put him to bed in undies do you think he will know not to wee (havent tried this yet) Or after the success of a recent sleep sticker chart should I try the same thing with this.

He will be dry maybe once/twice a week but other times it feels like he has done about 2-3 wees in the nappy.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 01:00 PM

We counted down the last few nappies each night - and the night after we used our last nappy went cold turkey. There were a few (small) overnight wets in the first month - and after that he was clean and dry overnight.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 01:57 PM

Personally Im not going to tackle night time toilet training until he wakes with dry nappies most mornings. Then I'll know he's ready and understands. Im not in a big rush, I'd rather use nappies than change sheets all the time.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:34 PM

Thanks, I wasnt sure if it is something that would be expected soon after being day trained or not. It doesnt worry me that he wears a nappy, but I would like to eliminate that extra cost. Might give the sticker chart a go and once he has a weeks worth of dry nappies (if that ever happens) I will trial him with undies. Thanks again smile.gif

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 04:24 PM

Yes it would be nice to cut out the nappies cost. We have to use 2 huggies nappies every night as my DS (just turned 3 yrs) is such a heavy wetter.
My DS would love to wear undies to bed but until he has dry nappies in the morning Im not going to risk it. I've told him he can wear undies to bed if he wakes up with a dry nappy.
I'll be very interested in how you go with the sticker chart. We use one for behaviour but hadn't thought of one for night tt.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 04:26 PM

claire we never had a dry night nappy. it was like it was easy and convenient to use the nappy so she did. we talked a fair bit about wearing undies to bed instead of nappies and one night she said no nappy and wanted undies and that was it. if i waited for a dry nappy not sure how long that would have taken. same for both of my girls.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:07 PM

QUOTE(sam-lou @ Jun 15 2012, 04:26 PM) View Post

claire we never (in our case rarely) had a dry night nappy. it was like it was easy and convenient to use the nappy so she he did.

Nappy was where to do pees - so no night nappy = no night pee (most of the time!).

Like I said there were a few accidents. But only a handful. The first week or so he was dry, then we had a handful of little accidents over a few weeks. He only really WET the bed once - the rest of the time he'd start and wet his PJs but get up and to the loo before it went any further.

We've had a water proof mattress protector on the bed since he moved out of the cot - so it was no drama to clean the occasional accident.



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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:31 PM

Cate was another child who never had a dry night nappy, she woke wet every morning.

I was happy to keep her in nappies overnight but Cate cracked it and insisted 'no more nappies Mum'. She said this in the presence of MY mum, who looked at me as if I was mad..."if she's asking for no nappy, why are you insisting?". Fair question!!

Anyways, ditched the nappies and not a worry in the world. I bought a special mattress protector from Bambini Pronto and the few accidents she did have were no problem: it took less than two minutes to change her and the bed and have her dry and warm again.

Once the nappy was off, she could feel when she was wetting herself...and she would stop. A few nights she called out to me with just wet pj pants, she'd stopped the wee before the bed was wet.

Cate was three and two months when we stopped night nappies and we haven't looked back smile.gif Give him a go without the nappy is my advice wink.gif

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 08:37 PM

Thanks girls. He has a mattress protector so maybe I should just give it a go. He keeps complaining that the nappy is hurting him (he is in nappy pants) so I think the side tabs are making him itchy. I am always having to undo his suit and adjust his nappy so thats another reason I am keen to get rid of them. Will let you know how we go.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 10:16 PM

Both of my kids were dry overnight 6 mths after they were day trained.

Rosie still had wet nappies but wanted to stop wearing them. She wet the bed every night for 2 weeks and then that was it, no more accidents.

Eddie suddenly had dry nappies at age 3 so I stopped putting then on him. Interestingly he continued to wet the bed occasionally for a year.

My ECHN told me that a quarter of 4 year olds are not dry overnight so it is possible he won't be ready. I've been amazed that both of my kids night trained so easily. Almost everyone I know has a child that was still wetting the bed at 6 or 7.
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Posted 16 June 2012 - 05:05 PM

Vaalentine, I wanted to do the 'no drink before bed' thing, but Cate is a thirsty kid, she drinks all day and specifically asks for a drink before bed. She will also wake in the night and have a drink of water some times. Even with all that extra fluid though she still sleeps through and wakes dry 99% of the time...it can be done wink.gif

On Mel's point, I have a gf who had an eight year old still wetting the bed almost every night sad.gif She ended up at the Children's Hospital seeing a specialist about it. Onbviously I have no medical background but I always suspected part of the reason that little girl got to that stage still bed wetting was because her mum (my gf) kept her in pull ups at night time until she was about five. I always swore I was never going down the pull up path for that reason (possibly a completely stupid reason blush.gif , but my reason all the same wink.gif ). Like Mel, I was also quite blown away by how easy night time training was...but I figured training for poo was a nightmare so I deserved some sort of slack laugh.gif

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 05:46 PM

QUOTE(Porthos @ Jun 16 2012, 05:05 PM) View Post
Vaalentine, I wanted to do the 'no drink before bed' thing, but Cate is a thirsty kid, she drinks all day and specifically asks for a drink before bed. She will also wake in the night and have a drink of water some times. Even with all that extra fluid though she still sleeps through and wakes dry 99% of the time...it can be done wink.gif

On Mel's point, I have a gf who had an eight year old still wetting the bed almost every night sad.gif She ended up at the Children's Hospital seeing a specialist about it. Onbviously I have no medical background but I always suspected part of the reason that little girl got to that stage still bed wetting was because her mum (my gf) kept her in pull ups at night time until she was about five. I always swore I was never going down the pull up path for that reason (possibly a completely stupid reason blush.gif , but my reason all the same wink.gif ). Like Mel, I was also quite blown away by how easy night time training was...but I figured training for poo was a nightmare so I deserved some sort of slack laugh.gif


I'm sure there are some kids who are wetting the bed because their parents were slack and kept them in pull ups...I remember looking after kids who wore pull-ups to bed in prep or grade 1 and thinking the same thing, so I completely understand why it might seem like just taking the nappies away would be a simple solution. If only it was in all cases though!

But my understanding is that the ability to stay dry all night relies on factors such as the body producing the hormone that slows the production of urine overnight, how deeply they sleep and their overall bladder control.

Will will be 5 in November. I'm 99% sure he'll still be wearing a nappy to bed when he starts school- we try regularly but he floods the bed and sleeps right through. We've tried for periods of up to 2-3 weeks over the last 2 years. We've had maybe 2-3 dry nights in total - and that is with limited drinks before bed, a trip to the toilet when we go to bed etc etc. Call me lazy, but I'm not interested in washing pjs, sheets, mattress protectors, doona and doona cover every day - I'm grateful for nappies/pull ups!

He does have an uncle though who wet the bed through to upper primary school so it seems likely he might achieve night time continence later than average.

All that said - I'm a big believer that even if their nappies are wet every morning, you should still give it a try for a week or two and see how it goes.

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 06:15 PM

Jack night trained about a week after day training, Lew is still wearing a night nappy quite a few months on. He is a VERY deep sleeper, we've tried taking him to the toilet before we go to bed but he gets distraught when we get him out of bed. So for now we will just wait.

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 08:27 PM

QUOTE(~Melissa~ @ Jun 16 2012, 05:46 PM) View Post

But my understanding is that the ability to stay dry all night relies on factors such as the body producing the hormone that slows the production of urine overnight, how deeply they sleep and their overall bladder control.


This is my understanding as well. A friend of mine took her six year old to an paediatric incontinence expert who said most of the time the issue is developmental and getting them up through the night is not helping them learn just upsetting them and disturbing their sleep. She was taught to increase her sons bladder control, however this was as a six to seven year old. She was also told that there is actually quite a high percentage that didn't night train till close to school age or first year of school.

We waited till H had dry nappies at night, it was probably six months after day training, however A is not day training the same way H did so it goes to show every kid is different!!!

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 07:18 PM

QUOTE(~Melissa~ @ Jun 16 2012, 05:46 PM) View Post

But my understanding is that the ability to stay dry all night relies on factors such as the body producing the hormone that slows the production of urine overnight, how deeply they sleep and their overall bladder control.

Will will be 5 in November. I'm 99% sure he'll still be wearing a nappy to bed when he starts school- we try regularly but he floods the bed and sleeps right through. We've tried for periods of up to 2-3 weeks over the last 2 years. We've had maybe 2-3 dry nights in total - and that is with limited drinks before bed, a trip to the toilet when we go to bed etc etc. Call me lazy, but I'm not interested in washing pjs, sheets, mattress protectors, doona and doona cover every day - I'm grateful for nappies/pull ups!



Melissa, that's my understanding too - and my girlfriend's daughter actually had a thing going on with her sleep being so deep she wasn't waking, it wasn't actually bladder control. With a special alarmed mattress and lots of practice and patience they got there in the end, which is the main thing. And there's NO WAY I would call you lazy for not wanting to wash all the bedding regularly, it's a total PITA.


QUOTE(-Megs- @ Jun 16 2012, 06:15 PM) View Post

Jack night trained about a week after day training, Lew is still wearing a night nappy quite a few months on. He is a VERY deep sleeper, we've tried taking him to the toilet before we go to bed but he gets distraught when we get him out of bed. So for now we will just wait.


When we very first started TT Cate for night time I was waking her before I went to bed but she too would get utterly distraught and hystercal, it was horrid. I think I did it twice before deciding I was happier for her to wet the bed rather than be that upset.

QUOTE(Vaalentine @ Jun 16 2012, 07:13 PM) View Post

My nephew was in pull ups until he was 5 until he chose not to wear them & didn't wet his bed at all since, so I think it is all entirely up to the individual child & not necessarily lazy parents.


I agree - each kid is different, hell we should all know that by now. And my gf wasn't lazy, she was just nervous about night time TT...she'll admit she got into a bad habit with the pull ups. Definitely not laziness though and I didn't mean to suggest that was it...I just wanted to express my irrational fear of pull ups...I am a total dork!! blush.gif tongue.gif




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