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#1 lena

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:34 PM

AnA927- Ana, born on the 18th May 2012 at 9:40pm weighing 2565gms

Lena - Amahlia May born on the 5th June 2012 at 8:41am weighing 3360kgs (7lbs 6.5oz) HC 34cm, Length- 49cm

Melanie79- Archie Pearce born on the 13th June 2012 at 3.22pm weighing 7lb 10oz, HC- 35.5cm Length- 51cms

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 04:30 AM

Yay our mothers group has started! Thanks Lena for starting it smile.gif

Well I'm up now so I might as well ask some questions about breast feeding and expressing.

Ana had a decent feed at 12:30am. Her next feed was supposed to be at 6:30am (yes, she can sleep 5-6hrs during the night already). Instead she woke up and was hungry at 3am. But she only fed for 15 minutes (she currently feeds for around 30-40 mons)! Grant it, my boob was heavy and she drank a fair bit even in just 15 minutes. But then she fell asleep and refused to feed anymore even when I managed to wake her.

I guess I wanted to ask you lovely ladies - how long was an average feed for you babies during the beginning month or so? I know all babies are different but I have nothing to compare to! How long would you feed on one breast before moving to the other one?

And for those of you who also expressed, when did you do that? Before a feed or after a feed? How often did you express? Did it make you produce more milk? I'm concerned about engorged boobs bt don't want to express only to make too much... Also how often did you express? Did you use bottles as well or just keep the milk in case?

And finally Ana has a LOT of wind. She doesn't cry a lot but I think that's just because she's not a crier... Instead she moans and half screeches during her sleep. Her poor belly is bloated and I can actually hear the gas rumbling in there. We massage her tummy with a special lotion, use invacol drops before every feed, and do little bicycle movements on her leg before every feed. It helps a little but she's still got a lot of wind. Did you guys experience this with your first and how did you manage it?

Anyway, better try to get some sleep while I can.. Look forward to seeing you all in here smile.gif

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 09:00 AM

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Congratulations to you all! I hope you don't mind but I've been reading your mummys-to-be-group and just wanted to offer my experiences to Ahn on oversupply and fast flow!

I had a bit of a crazy oversupply - Eddie was a ferocious drinker from day dot and I don't know if that prompted it. Once my milk came in he'd choke and splutter and drink so much he'd be sick, and sometimes get too much foremilk so got those green frothy poos. The midwives in hospital recommended that I actually feed leaning back in a chair, or on pillows in bed - completely the opposite to the normal recommendation to be nice and upright. Also, I'd get him to suck until letdown and sometimes take him off and have a spitrag there to catch some of the craziness that would spurt out, then pop him on again when it slowed down a bit. I was recommended to just feed one boob per feed for a bit until it calmed down. In reality it took til nearly a year until I wasn't producing enough milk for him to want more than one blink.gif but he was perfectly happy with 1, and sometimes a quick drink of the second. He was also quite a fast drinker. 20 minutes at newborn stage, then got down to 10 then about 7 a month or two in, while some bubs in my mothers group were still taking 45 minutes! I think there is a huge variation. He definitely wasn't a comfort sucker, once he was full he was off and that was it.

In terms of expressing, I rang the ABA to ask for advice on this; I wanted to start building up a bit of a stash to try him on a bottle at around 2 months, but was really worried about getting even more milk. They recommended waiting until about 6 weeks, and then doing it after the bedtime feed when your supply is lower, and just getting about 30-50 mls if I could and no more. I did it a few times a week, but even that small amount would provoke a huge increase in supply so I avoided it at first. As the months went on I could do it more comfortably to get a stash.

WRT to the wind, we were really struggling with good burping techniques - all the ones we were shown initially didn't work at all. No burp ever came out, but my MCHN showed me an amazing technique - not sure I can explain it in words! Basically you sit them on your knee, with the heel of your hand against their stomach and they chin/head supported with your fingers (took us quite a while to get this right, and you need biggish hands for it!). They should be leaning forward a bit against your hand for pressure. Then with the other hand you walk your fingers quite firmly up their spine, vertebrae by vertebrae, and at some point (can be anywhere) bubs will suddenly arch their back and this is where the discomfort is. Then you really firmly rub upwards from that spot, maintaining the pressure on their tummy to try to work the air bubble up. You can then check again and sometimes you find it's moved up. It worked really well for us and was the only way we ever got burps up (sometimes with a huge projectile spurt of milk blink.gif) and he was a happier chappy once we sorted that one out. Hopefully that might help with some of the wind for Ana! I know what trapped wind feels like for me, so I can only imagine what it's like for little tiny new babies.

Sorry to stick my oar in but I hope some of the above is helpful!
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Posted 17 June 2012 - 01:45 PM

Hi Squeaza!! Thanks for sharing your experience.

Wow seems like you had a massive over supply smile.gif I try to hand express even just a ml or two before getting Ana to feed. She's had a few green frothy poos, but its gone back to normal mustardy ones. She does pop off when she's done, or slow down to a comfort suck so that's handy I guess.

Great tip about expressing after the night time feed (which at the moment, is at around 11:30pm). My SIL followed Tizzy what's her name's book (Save our sleep) but she recommends expressing in the morning to ensure that you have enough milk for growth spurts. Honestly I don't think that's necessary. Seems I have no milk issues and the more I read, the more I see that your body generally just deals with growth spurts and produces milk when it needs to.

Squeaza, were you a member of the ABA? I didn't sign up ph34r.gif , but a friend gave me their book to read...

That burping technique sounds good too - only I have small hands though.. Might try to ask DH to try it and see how we go. I saw a midwife hold Ana in probably the same position, only she had big hands! Anything to try to get her to burp more. She's squeaking in her sleep as I write this!

DH goes back to work on Monday. I'm dreading it sad.gif

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 02:57 PM

Another over-supplier of mother's milk here too. I'll second everything Squeaza said!

I bought a book from the ABA called 'Too Much' - if I manage to find it, rolleyes.gif I'll let you know what it says. You can buy it for $5 as a non-member from their website. I'm pretty sure you can call their advice line without being a member too.

I used to hand express before I put T on in the early days because my breasts were so engorged he would just slip off. I didn't really express much other than that though (I had a few in case of the apocolypse bags of milk in the freezer in case) and never even tried him on a botle. I used to hand express into his cereal when he got older though, much to my husband and mother's horror!

I think most babies have wind and experience some discomfort. The burping techniques, bicycle legs and massage help, you could also try elevating the head end of her bassinette (we just put a couple of towels underneath the mattress) to help her digest her milk when she goes down. Probably has no basis in fact but it seemed to help T.

Gotta go as T has woken up; will try to give your more details later smile.gif.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 03:29 PM

I forgot to say - heat on the boobs before feeds, and ice after! Wheat packs or gel packs heated help soften the boob to help them attach. Gosh I'm not looking forward to that engorgement again blink.gif I did join the ABA but anyone can ring the helpline.

FWIW I think tizzy Hall is crazy with the expressing! The body copes very well with growth spurts and demand feeding deals with that anyway! What concerns me most about her method is that expressing off the fore milk means the baby doesn't get the liquid that is designed to rehydrate.. I know there are a lot of fans, but her ideas don't seem to be based on any medical facts which grates with me ph34r.gif

Also check out Kellymom website for great articles on everything boob related!

Wrt the wind - we considered hiring one of the hospital bassinets that can be tilted a lot - quite a few of the baby hire places have them. We had ours tilted in hospital all the time because Eddie was a greedy guts and blurted everywhere if flat on his back.
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Posted 17 June 2012 - 04:48 PM

I am another with plenty of milk and as you know I am having major wind problems here as well. Squeeza has said everything I am doing. I always hand express under the hot shower to get rid of the lumps in my breast. I also always make sure Ihold Amahlia upright for 30 mins or so before putting her down (if she goes down wink.gif ). Oh also sitting Amahlia on my lap back to my belly and rocking back and forwards so bending her over (does that make sense??). It use to work on Zack every time

Squeeza- I am sure I have told you before but Eddie is such a cutie. Every time I look at your pic in your sig I smile.

I can't get Amahlia down of a night. She will happily go down of a day but within 5 minutes she is up of a night. I haven't slept by myself since the night she came out of SCN. It is driving me insane. I don't know what to do and it really scares me sleeping with her.

Mel how is Archie going?

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 11:20 PM

Ahn- I forgot to say Zack use to feed for up to an hour every time, where Ashton fed 10-20 minutes and Amahlia is the same as Ashton. So I think every child is different on how long they feed.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 01:08 AM

I feel miserable. Ana was very restless and sooky this evening and I had to do a quick comfort feed to settle her down (just 5 mins until she fell asleep). As soon as I put her down in her basinette she woke and wanted to be held. This went on. And on. And on. I ended up letting her sleep on my chest until her late night feed.

I just finished feeding her and she fought me almost all of the way and I managed to feed her for just over 15 mins. I'm going to try to express a little so the steriliser is on to sterilise all the bits and peices. Thought i might store a bit since she fed so little tonight anyway... I'm just waiting for it to be done.

Tired.

Alena, how frequent are Amahlia's feeds? And how do you sleep at night?

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:07 AM

Ahn- I hear you we had a bad night to last night. I am surviving on 4 hours of interrupted sleep. Amahlia is feeding every 3 hours which is longer than the boys every two hours so I am enjoyitng that. Sleeping at night, well she sleeps in my arms or on my chest all night so I am not getting *proper* sleep anyway. I put her in her bed after each feed but she always wakes and screams within 5 minutes. I jus don't get why she is doing it. Anyone have any ideas??? I try to settle her in bed but with no success. I was so frustrated and wanted alone time in the middle of last night I was almost in tears.

Have you tried a wet washer on her to wake her up. Sounds really mean but it means maybe a full feed. The breastfeeding association thing laugh.gif (whatever its called) suggested it to me for Zack. As well as undressing her a little. I also found that changing Zacks nappy in the middle of the feed instead of at the beginning use to work waking him up for some more feed.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:13 AM

Oh yes, I've done the sleeping on chest thing (did it yesterday!)...

And I have a cold, wet washer right next to me Alena - the midwife taught me that one in hospital. Last night I was rubbing her face all over and took half her onsie off. Turns out she was just full - she slept her usual night time length (but was damn noisy).

I'm trying to wean her off the nipple shield (she doesn't like it much sometimes) but she still has trouble latching. Always on the left side. Last night she started out reasonably well but eventually had my boob pinched in her mouth. I had to stop as it got painful. I pull her off and try to relatch her but nope, no luck. And my right nipple stings as well. Frigin latching issues on top of sore, almost lumpy boobies: i need to be very careful right now!

DH went to work half asleep this morning poor thing. Thank goodness I'm at mum and she still has time off.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:07 PM

Hi girls we made it! Just briefly responding to some things. Anh regarding feeding Oliver used to take about an hour and would take both sides whereas Archie can be done after 5 mins on one side! I stressed at the start but read in an ABA book that both of those are normal. I know he is getting enough as he has lots of wet and dirty nappies. Thankfully this time I seem to have a baby that doesn't have trouble with wind as Archie is constantly farting. He seems to get his wind out easily. I am demand feeding so no routine but he goes around 4ish hours with some cluster feeding. I have had to express a few times (using the pump as hand expressing just takes too long for the amount I need to express to feel comfy). I just do it when I feel really ouchie full it has mostly been at night. Also feeding should not hurt so if the shields are helping I would keep using them for now. I have had friends use them for months then continue to have a long breastfeeding relationship.


Argh Lena I feel your pain! Archie wants to sleep on me every night too! He kept waking and I thought maybe he was getting day and night confused but I really just think he wants to be close to me. He is currently snuggled on my chest after several attempts in the basinette! I wouldn't care so much if I just had him I would sit up all night and sleep all day but as you know not possible with other kids. I am thinking I should try putting some of my clothes in the bassinette as it may be my smell he wants?

More later squishing cuddles to all xo

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 04:44 PM

Hi Mel! How's things at home since DH has gone back to work? My mum has been helping out a lot since DH has gone back this week ph34r.gif

Well I'm trying to ditch the nipple shields. Ana doesn't like them (neither to I really, so fiddly). So I've been breast feeding without them. As DH would say, I'm 'training in the jungle'. My nipples are sore (they haven't 'hardened up' yet), but it's getting a teeny bit better, and guess what Ana feeds much faster without them! She can virtually drain a boob in anywhere between 12 and 19 minutes - great effort! She's getting better at latching on too, and I'm paying more attention to my posture (I realised that I hunched forward which made it hurt more - so I have to remember to lean back more!).

Ana still has a lot of wind but I've taken to putting her on her tummy to sleep (constantly supervised of course - I don't even go and pee) all afternoon. This seems to help her fart a lot and she actually sleeps more peacefully on her tummy. When I put her down she'll squirm and squeak, and then do a biiig fart or two and is quiet for the rest of the time.

Ana has also become quite pimply in the past few days. I'm not sure why, but I do read that it's not unusual, and that it could be because of my diet! Oops... I'm not eating a lot of rubbish, but I have been eating a little chocolate and chips ph34r.gif

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:02 PM

I'm going to post most of my mummy questions and updates in here so I know where to refer to them later smile.gif

So when did you ladies feel confident to venture out of the house with your first kiddies? I've only been out of the house a handful of times with Ana - to the hospital (DH was with me), and to a friend's house and also MIL's house. The hospital trips were fine because they were quite quick, but to our friend's place and MIL's I found quite stressful. I fumbled when breast feeding, Ana was more sooky as she was in an unfamiliar environment (and perhaps sensed my stress) and all I wanted to do was go home...

Tomorrow DH has booked a haircut appointment for both of us, but I don't want to leave Ana at home for a long period of time (we'd be gone for 3 hours - too long), nor do I really want to bring her out as I just don't have the confidence to manage her with ease if she gets hungry or cries.. So I'm probably going to cancel my appointment while DH goes and gets his haircut.

When did you guys feel comfortable outside with your little ones?

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 10:27 PM

Ahn- I went out the first day I got home with Zack with my mum. By myself it wouldn't have been until I could drive so about 4 weeks. But going out where I live is easy as it is only a small town. My first full day out would have been at around 6 weeks.

I don't know if this is the same with everyone but I know I got over that whole embarrassed with breastfeeding while out in public. I was very "hidy", putting a muslim wrap over the both of us when feeding even with my extended family. Now I don't cover up at all. I am not all get my boob out I am still discrete but I don't worry about what other people think anymore, my baby needs feeding so others can look away if they don't want to see it. I was out for lunch on Wednesday and thought Amahlia would be fine but of course wanted to be fed and I fed there.

Take your time, I couldn't leave Amahlia for 3 hours yet and I know what I am like I probably won't for a long time yet. Leaving Ashton when having Amahlia was hard enough as I had never been apart from him and he is 2 next month
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