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#31 ~Bella~

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 04:46 PM

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Thanks Liz. I will take you up on the offer eventually. I feel like having a good cry right now! It's not that things are particularly hard but it's still an emotional time. The family stuff still hurts too. sad.gif

It's just taken several attempts to get Ava down for a sleep. We tried the bassinette a couple of times and now she is in the pram (thought I could take her for a walk if all else failed).

When I put her down and she fusses I don't rush to her straight away but if she starts properly crying I will pick her up and cuddle her for a bit before trying again. Is that the right thing to do? (I'm nervous about creating bad habits).


This is a good way to do if you dont want to "create a bad habit". But you know what i dont think there is such thing as right or wrong or creating bad habits. Do what you gotta do to get her asleep and for you to rest. We rocked Emmanuel for months and months and it was the only way he'd sleep thanks to his colic. But you know what he grew out of it and just think its not like she'll want to be patted or rocked or want a dummy or whatever when she's 16 wink.gif

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 05:23 PM

Witching hour is false advertising: it lasts longer than a hour! Eliza keeps changing her witching hour time which is really hard to plan around
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Posted 29 June 2011 - 06:35 PM

Hello ladies, yay to being in here!

I can't believe Astrid is a week old smile.gif It's been a fairly amazing week. Can't believe how tired I am. this 3 hours schedule is pretty punishing. It went better with hubby helping last night and today but it's still hard work. Astrid gained a small amount today we have been asked to do it for another 24 hours and will reassess. My midwife came today (she is much more sensible than the silly neonatologists) and agreed that we don't need to force the full formula top ups in, if she gets full then we can stop.

Not sure my supply is that great yet. I'm back to expressing about 10ml/pump but I think I have a little more available for Astrid, I'm just not a good expresser. They are going to put me on medication to try and increase supply and I'm doing the fenugreek and lactation cookies so hopefully they will help. Oh Tania, if you google lactation cookies you will get the recipe - they are meant to help with supply and taste pretty good smile.gif

Of course I'm already getting helpful advice from rellies about how it's silly to be spending all our time doing the expressing and top-ups and we should just switch to formula. Really, it's our choice and I really want to BF so doing this for a period of time is just what we have to do. If my supply never picks up then I might consider just doing part time breastfeeding but I don't think that is something we have to worry about just yet.

Erin, sorry to hear you are still in pain sad.gif Bugger about the clot, sounds very nasty. Is there anything they can do to help the healing? How is Lucy going with Torin now?

FOF Mel, I'm glad you've made a little progress with your family. It's annoying you have to be the one who makes the effort but it's worth it to keep everyone happy. I also don't pick Astrid up too much for little whinges. In fact we leave her laying on her beanbag or bouncer quite a lot between feeds. While I love cuddles with her she is a baby happy to not be held all the time and just likes to know we are around by the sound of our voices. Of course when my mum is here she picks her up all the time which is a bit irritating, especially when we are trying to have her sleep to get energy for the next feed.
Don't worry about being emotional. I've been a shocker the last couple of days with the hospital stuff.

Liz, that is awesome you are still in contact with your mother's group! I'm not sure when ours start I should ask my midwife. I've been loving your pics of all your boys together on FB! Ben is a real cutie too smile.gif I think you are pretty amazing doing all you do with 3 very young kids.

Katya Mel, sounds like you are healing well. Surgery takes ages to get over even when you aren't looking after a newborn. How is Elias' weight going now? Is your supply good now?

April, I meant to say before that my Nan has met Astrid. She has had a couple of cuddles. She is worried about dropping her so she has only had short cuddles and I always dress her in a furry suit or something interesting for her to 'feel' since she can't see her. We have described her though and she is quite besotted with her.
Have you heard how Chiara is going? Aurelia is very cute in her pics!!

Tania, now that I have you on FB, I am glad I can see pics of Finlay - he is very cute smile.gif How are you feeling now you have survived the first month?

AFM, aside from being exhausted I feel better being at home. Things were easier in the first few days but hopefully we can get back there soon. This is hard work at the moment. Astrid is a very good baby though and so cute. I don't think she could be any cuter if she tried. I might be biased but she is pretty adorable. I'll post some pics I took the other day below.
Hubby is taken to fatherhood really well. He is sooo helpful and really really good with Astrid. I went out this afternoon for 20 mins to drop my mother back to my Nan's house (my first trip away from Astrid) and he sang her soft kitty while they both had a nap together wub.gif

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 07:37 PM

Gosh Nic, Astrid is gorgeous!! She looks so much like you. wub.gif I'm glad you're home and feeling supported (though family can leave their opinions at the door)

Its been a rough day, had a rough night after Lucy decided not to sleep until 10pm and then only in our bed, then Torin was up every 2 hours after that and every time Lucy woke up and cried that I'd gone.

Then the blood from my scar turned yellow, went into the doctor and it's infected, like you all warned me to look out for. I'm now on stronger anti biotics and have an ultrasound tomorrow to check how infected I am. They squeezed out so much discharge and now it bloody hurts more. ph34r.gif sad.gif I'm so over it, apparently the antibiotics will make Torin unsettled. Great! rolleyes.gif

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 08:20 PM

Hi Ladies, sorry I've been MIA. I've been trying to read and catch up but I keep running out of time sad.gif I think I will just start from now!!

Shell - I am much better now but when we first came home I found it very overwhelming! Mark is home now (he goes back to work on Friday, boo hoo!) and I was freaking out about how I was going to cope without him. My mum came over for most of the day while he was at work but I managed! Re tandem feeding, I can get them on by myself (I have pillows either side of me) but the problem comes when I have to do top-ups & burp them! Once Mark goes back to work Mum will probably only come over for 1 or 2 of the 3 feeds that Mark is absent for. I will be ok but it will be extremely time consuming by myself.

Nic - the twins are still having some formula. My feeding regime is pretty intensive but not as bad as yours! They BF 4 hourly, then have a top-up - Henry 30mls & Olivia 20mls, then I express. Takes ages!! I only express at 8am, 12 noon, 4pm, I need some sleep overnight so I go back to bed rather than expressing so about 50% of their top-ups are formula but I'm ok with that. They won't always take their top-up so when we see the Paed on 19/7 I'm going to ask about cutting them out or only offering them at 4pm & 8pm when I have the least milk and when they most often take their top-ups. I think they sound very bossy at the hospital! No one was that militant with us and the twins were much smaller than Astrid! The naso-gastric tube was mentioned but only as a possibility once we'd tried top-ups etc. Oh, they also had me on motilium for the first 5-7 days (I can't remember how long now).

Love the pics of Astrid, she is beautiful! Reminds me that we must take more of the twinnies.

Mel/FoF - mad.gif your sister! Good on you for being the bigger person, but even when you're being the bigger person you still feel ripped off! It sounds like your trying to take care of yourself and your little family.

Mel/BB - Eeek, putting the house on the market! You must be one busy lady! Sounds like you're doing well with E, Bf is hard work though! I remember you mentioned driving post c-section, my Obs said I could drive after 2 weeks but I had to practice doing an emergency stop - stamping on the brakes (with the car off!!) - and seeing if it's painful, and also turning in the seat etc.

Liz - I think you're wonderwoman! 3 kids on different routines blink.gif Absolutely love the pics on FB of Finlay & Ben wub.gif

Erin - your c-section wound sounds awful!! You poor thing sad.gif Is there nothing else they can do? How is Torin going? And has Lucy taken to him? Wow, your MIL sounds like a super b*tch. Who says that about a 3 year old? sad.gif Yet another reason you wouldn't want them minding your kids! Thank god for having your mum stay.

The babies are putting on weight, on tuesday they were 2.98kg (Olivia) & 2.8kg (Henry), so they put on 320g each in the last week! It has been fantastic having Hubs home, I will really miss him. He will been really busy at work too sad.gif Oh, he found out today he's going to the US for work at the end of September, and to make things worse he's staying here. Luckily the twins will be nearly 4 months old by then!

Ah, witching hour!! It happens in our house too, but mainly with Olivia. Pretty much every day she has a meltdown between 4pm & 8pm feeds! If I hold her she goes more nuts, I think because she can smell the milk and we don't want to feed her early as we try to hold her out for the next feed to keep them on the same routine. So it'll be interesting when Mark's not here and I have to hold her! We have a swing & bouncers but they're not massive fans yet.

I think my c-section scar sounds similar to yours Liz & Mel. The bit above the scar is 'pouch-like' on the surface and hard underneath and then as you move up it goes in and back out again over my abs... Not sure if that's normal? Maybe I need to draw a pic. I have been wearing hypafix over my scar but didn't today and my clothes rubbing on it annoyed me.

My exciting news for today - I now have 2 'normal' pairs of jeans I can button, yay! They not very comfy though ph34r.gif

It's my Dad's birthday tomorrow so we're heading out to lunch, hope the babies behave! We're only to a pub 3-4km away so we can always come home!

Better go - feeding time!

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 07:27 AM

Hello ladies!

Another night of not much sleep but I've had my coffee with the last feed so am feeling more human. I was shattered last night and hubby ended up doing one feed mostly on his own and I pumped in bed. Astrid did a few cluster feeds in the evening (we let her BF whenever she wants and just do the express top-ups every 3 hours if she has fed more regularly) but then BF really badly at the overnight feeds since she was so tired. She is definitely getting some from me though because the feeds she didn't BF well she took the formula really easily so I suspect she is getting 30-40ml off me at least each feed. I get bugger all expressing still but I think I"m bad at letting down on the pump because I can put her back on after pumping and hear her gulping milk the pump clearly didn't get. Oh well, should be starting motilium today if the midwife brings the script.

If Astrid puts on weight today we might be able to space her feeds a little more or drop some top ups as it's freaking exhausting! The grandparents have offered to help but given I still have to BF and express it's only giving the top ups anyone can help with. Hubby does most of them now but he is getting exhausted too as he makes up all the formula and does the sterilising while I"m feeding. We have been finger/syringe feeding so we don't confuse her between breast and bottle in the same feed but we might move to a bottle today as it's hard on your hand and finger trying to finger feed for 45 minute a feed.

Question (stalkers feel free to answer too!): Those that had slow supply and have/are doing top ups how long did you do it for? How long til your supply was good enough?

I'm starting to worry I may never get enough milk.

Gab, good to see you! Awesome weight gain by the twins! Astrid was down to 3.2kg but I think she is up a 100+ grams after the last few days, so still bigger than your two smile.gif Sounds like you are doing really well. It is exhausting doing thing express and top up thing.
Well done on getting back into some clothes smile.gif I haven't been brave enough to weigh myself yet but I'm happy at how quickly my belly is going down. Lots of loose skin and a bit pouchy still but not as bad as I expected.
I hope you go ok with your hubs back at work. I think we need more pics of Henry and Olivia!

Erin, it must be so hard with 2 littlies. Gosh your having a bad run with infection sad.gif I hope they get on top of it soon. I"ve had infected surgical scars before and it's horrid. I was still on ABs when Astrid was born for the chest infection (only finished 2 days ago) and they didn't seem to affect her so you could be lucky. Keep us informed on how you are going! We also need more Torin photos.

Off to do a quick load of washing before the next feed.

Oh cloth nappies rock! We love the bambooties and the bamboo prefolds are great too. I find the terry cloth with covers far less absorbent and her cotton prefolds are still too big and bulky. We were back in sposies in hosptial and they all leaked and gave her a rash so we were pleased to come home and get back in cloth. We are trying to wash them more frequently so we can use the better nappies but given how much other clothing and towels we are goign through it's ok. Poor washing machine is getting a work out!
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 08:05 AM

QUOTE(Tigridia @ Jun 30 2011, 07:27 AM) View Post

Question (stalkers feel free to answer too!): Those that had slow supply and have/are doing top ups how long did you do it for? How long til your supply was good enough?

I'm starting to worry I may never get enough milk.


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I have been stalking you ladies for weeks now, something I don't usually do but I am feeling unbelievably clucky and love reading about what you are all doing.

Re the above question - for me my supply didn't build up and Ben began fussing more and more on the breast and then after only 2 weeks of top ups (he had been exclusively BF for the first 2 weeks, then top ups for 2 weeks after that) he just started refusing the breast altogether. However I never took Motilium, so hopefully once you get that script and start taking it your supply will build up. It is so different for every woman, I have friends who have had great success building their supply and others who have had no luck at all, I think all you can do is try your best and you are already definitely doing that biggrin.gif

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 01:58 PM

Hello everyone wub.gif

FoF Mel - Witching hour is horrible, and as I said, false advertising! An hour of it I could stand, but 4 hours is beyond my limit.

Good on you for being the bigger person, but it does suck that it has to always be you sad.gif

During witching hour Eliza cat naps, for 10-15 minutes at a time, which means as soon as you get her into bed and start to do something, she cries again. I also don't rush to her, I gauge how hysterical she is. If she is just wimpering I leave her there and she will often go to sleep herself. If she is hysterical and screaming and quite red in the face (I peer around her door) I will go and get her for a quick cuddle. Once she settles down again she goes back into the cot.

I honestly don't think that at this stage there is such a thing as bad habits. I know books say otherwise, but remember that books don't know your baby. My personal view at the moment for us is that the only bad habit in this household is reading books and then making myself feel like a terrible parent because my child doesn't conform to their views. I have been beating myself up for weeks because Eliza doesn't follow a routine, some nights has to be cuddled to sleep, and has a dummy, but you know what? The other day she put on weight, and showed all the signs of a happy 4 week old baby. And I can't ask for more than that.

Liz - I joined our local mothers group, but was a bit disappointed by it, as the only other person with a baby Eliza's age is already our friend. The other mums all had babies that were 1-3 months older than Eliza. I was so looking forward to being in a close knit mothers group too. Ahh well, I have Kerry, Rosy, Chiara and everyone in here wub.gif

That is awesome that you are still really good friends with your mothers group, my SIL is the same with hers. In fact they formed a second group from their first group as they all had their second child are the same time too laugh.gif

Nic - Glad things are a bit better now you are at home. I think you did the right thing by discharging yourself, the stress wouldn't be helping anyone. Did Astrid put on weight today? Good luck with the script, fenegreek and cookies. I am off to google the cookies out of curiosity now.

As for family with their opinions: mad.gif . Keep trying everything you can to increase your milk supply, you can do it.

That is fantastic that your Nan has met Astrid and is besotted with her (who wouldn't be though, she is adorable!)

From what I gather Chiara is doing well, all things considering. She said she was quite tired, but things are getting easier with feeding. She sent me a picture of Miss A yesterday, and she is adorable! I don't want to interrupt their bonding time, so I am trying to not message her too much.

Erin - Oh my, you poor thing sad.gif I remember how much discharge they got out of my mums wounds, it was disgusting! Her's had gone a bit longer though, as it was green and stunk terribly. She recovered really poorly from that operation, and as a result got Golden Staph as well, which took 2 years to clear up properly sad.gif Fingers crossed you have a bit better run and hopefully the new AB's don't make Torin too unsettled sad.gif

Gab - Can I ask a stupid question? Does it matter which breast each baby goes on, or do you switch them around depending on who you get handed first, or where they are? And what do you do if one baby finishes before the other and needs burping? I am quite curious about it for some unknown reason.

Oh wow, lucky hubs for getting to go to the US for work, but that sucks for you at home sad.gif And well done on having 2 pairs of normal jeans that you can do up, that is great!

AFM - Eliza had her 4 week checkup and has put on 530g since birth and grown 2cm. She is meeting all of the requirements and the nurses were quite happy with her progress. They did mention that she has a slight tongue tie which isn't helping our feeding issues. I have gone back to wearing shields all of the time and will just stick with them for now.

Eliza has started to learn day from night (I think) and is starting to sleep longer overnight. I can generally get 5-6 hours between feeds which is great as it means I get a good solid 3.5-4 hours sleep.

Brian has gone back to work and we are managing. We went to Melbourne yesterday with my mum to pick up a high chair. Toy's R Us had our chosen chair (Chicco Polly) on special for $199 online, but won't ship to our area. I kept trying, and it seems they only ship to Melbourne Metro, which is really silly as the store isn't that far from the city centre anyway rolleyes.gif Anyway, I rang the store and they said they had one in stock but it was the regular price of $299. My mum argued with them that it doesn't say 'Online Only' on the website and we were disadvantaged as the website won't ship to our area. Eventually, after several phone calls, they agreed to sell it to us at the discounted price. So we now have a highchair biggrin.gif
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 04:17 PM

April - Well done on wrangling a discounted price on the high chair!

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During witching hour Eliza cat naps, for 10-15 minutes at a time, which means as soon as you get her into bed and start to do something, she cries again. I also don't rush to her, I gauge how hysterical she is. If she is just wimpering I leave her there and she will often go to sleep herself. If she is hysterical and screaming and quite red in the face (I peer around her door) I will go and get her for a quick cuddle. Once she settles down again she goes back into the cot.


Things are exactly the same in this household, except that quite often when I pick up E for a quick cuddle he burps almost immediately. Our witching hour is now later and shorter - from 10 to midnight. He can sleep for long periods at night if I left him but he often becomes noisy in his sleep (making crying noises) about 4 hours after the last feed (after 3 hours of sleep) so I just wake him up and feed him.

Nic - Astrid is beautiful! Has she gained weight?

Gab - glad to hear from you. You're doing a great job wih your twins!

Erin - You poor thing. Watch out also for thrush on both you and Torin while you're on antibiotics.

AFM - I managed to do some shopping today. Hurrah! It was difficult getting organised though. I had to express then feed E, then get dressed, get my stuff together, get E dressed, then I topped him up, I had to take two trips to the car, first with the pram then with E in the capsule (the carpark is 6 levels down). All up it took me 2 hours to get ready. Hopefully, with practice I will be more used to it. The driving part was no prolem at all, I wasn't in pain or discomfort but I was extremely sleepy and I found it hard to concentrate. I managed to spend about an hour and a bit I think at the shops, went to kmart, the chemist and Coles, got most of the things on my list before E started to cry as he was hungry. I decided to just go home rather than give him the bottle and continue with my shopping. All in all it was a good first trip out. I'm still pretty paranoid that he hasn't had his vaccinations yet and don't want him to be exposed to much.

I better get some cleaning done before he wakes up. My gorgeous boy let me sleep for 2 hours after his feed and he's still asleep now. I think I'll clean the kitchen then wake him up for his feed.

Is anyone else experiencing any pain in their wrists? I am in a lot of pain in both wrists from lifting E. I take it as a sign that he has gained weight. I bought some cheapo wrist support today hopefully they help as the proper ones are so expensive.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 07:13 PM

Hello!

Astrid has gained a little weight. She is now just over 3.4kg so is a bit over 10% below her birth weight. My midwife is happy with her gains but she is not exactly chunking it on. My supply is still not great. I am getting more but I doubt I'd be satisfying her if we weren't topping up. I've never managed to get the full/hard boobs. They get harder and I can feel there is milk in them but I am definitely still having issues. I've only been on the meds and fenugreek for a bit over 24 hours so hopefully they work. After discussion with the midwife today we have decided to see a private lactation consultant so that will hopefully happen soon. We are quite committed to breast feeding so anything I can do to help that is good with me. We could see one publicly but it might take awhile so I'm happy to pay. While I would like to fully B/feed I will be happy if we can get to the point where I'm mostly B/feeding and just doing some topping up.

Because Astrid gained weight we are now able to skip a top up at some feeds if she has a long breast feed and isn't looking for more. We can also do 4 hour blocks overnight tonight so that will be awesome as I'm so tired!! The extra hour makes a huge difference. It will be better for Astrid too as she gets quite tired with all the feeding.

Katya Mel, I'll PM you smile.gif I also use an alias on FB and am really hard to find due to security settings. Would love to see more photos of Elias! Well done on getting out and about. I'm so missing going out sad.gif We were getting out but with our current feeding schedule getting to the clothes line is a challenge. I haven't walked the pacas since being on this schedule (they are getting walked every day still, just not by me) and I really miss it. I am hoping by the weekend we can at least get out for a breakfast or coffee again.

April, witching hour sucks sad.gif Astrid's varies times too. It is usually the afternoon (4pm on) but last night she did it at 10pm when we were exhausted and trying to sleep before the next feed. DH ended up taking her and pumping her full of what little EBM I had and her formula so I got a little sleep. Today she has done her cluster feeding starting around 1pm so I think she may be better tonight. Of course she started the cluster feeding when I decided I wanted a nap, always the way! I'm also not worried about bad habits at this stage. We are doing what we need to and will see how we go smile.gif Glad Chiara is doing well - say hi from me smile.gif

So June is about to be over, yay for all our bubs being here! The last month has been very interesting! We ended up with a lot of c-secs in our group and babies of all sorts of weights. They are all very cute though!!!


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Posted 01 July 2011 - 10:49 AM

Nic, have you tried blessed/milk thistle as well for supply? You can get it at the health food store. I was taking this and fenugreek smile.gif
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#42 Swarles Barkley

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 11:08 AM

Can I ask a question of both Mel's and Tania (and anyone else who wants to answer)? Of a night do you feel that you don't have enough milk. Eliza seems to want to feed frequently during witching hour but cracks the shits as she sucks and not much comes out as she fusses and pulls off. Is this normal and what do I do?
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Posted 01 July 2011 - 12:09 PM

April - no, I have the opposite problem in that I seem to have too much milk still. If I don't express before a feed E chokes and splutters and gets upset because he can't drink without drowning. Except on one occasion I don't think I've ever actually run dry. Maybe it's because E has changed from cluster feeding to feeding hungrily for 5 to 10 minutes then having a rest break of about an hour in which time I have made more milk. It's frustrating when I want him to continue feeding so I'm not quite so full. I give him a long feed around 4-ish just so he can sleep soundly until after I've cooked and we've had dinner.

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April - Could you try waking her up for a feed before she wakes herself, keep her swaddled when you feed. I find that E doesn't stay on the breast for as long when he's swaddled and falls asleep quicker. You just have to make up for the shorter feeds by feeding more frequently. That way you get a break to replenish your supply.
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Posted 01 July 2011 - 12:29 PM

I don't think it is so much run dry, more just that it doesn't come quick enough and she has a short attention span (much like her mother I suppose)
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Posted 01 July 2011 - 01:23 PM

You could try massaging from the outside in before a feed to help the milk come down?
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