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Posted 18 February 2011 - 07:54 AM

Okay really he is not up for offer, he is too damn cute and loveable, but his nights are wearing thin and have us all at breaking point.

We moved about 6 weeks ago but i would have thought he would be fine, and he certainly knows the new house so i suspect that is not the problem.

Anyway, he wakes at least 2 hourly overnight. He goes to bed wude awake. I (yes mark this day in your diary girls) am currently reading 'save our sleep'...never thought i would but thats how desperate i am. But honestly her book doesnt address this freqeunt night waking where they dont stand up. The only thing i can try is ensuring he hasnt started to wind down too much in the bedtime routine, so last night i cut out the wong before bed so itsjust a book cuddle and bed. A friend suggested cutting the bottom of one of our sleeping bags to see if that helped and i am going to try that this morning. Oh and he wants to start the day at 6am irrespective of when he goes to bed, he had a 7pm bedtime for mons and it was still 6am so im stuck here too.

Does anyone have any ideas, my ipad is about to die s i cannot write anymore atm. Will be back later.



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Posted 18 February 2011 - 12:24 PM

Oh Heather sad.gif

Levi was exactly like this at about 10 months, it's a special kind of soul-destroying sleep deprivation, isn't it?

He's got a comforter, doesn't he? What does he do when he wakes up? Just scream? Levi's problem was really bad separation anxiety (he was a bad sleeper before, and hadn't slept through yet, but his sleep went beyond worse when the separation anxiety hit).

Things we tried-

*A light on nearby, like the bathroom light with the door mostly closed.

*Turning his room into a "big boy" room with a special car cushion in the cot, sheets with trucks/cars/etc on, a train wall decal with our photos in it on the wall above his cot...basically making it as enticing as possible to be in his cot without leaving a sugar trail wink.gif

*Whipping out the good old Sounds of Silence CD and playing the one that sounded like a dryer on repeat. All night. laugh.gif

*An airwrap around the cot so feet weren't getting stuck.

*Putting about six dummies in there so he could find one easily rolleyes.gif

*Really tiring him out in the afternoon- even now I'll take the kids for a walk most afternoons (not in the pram), or will get DH to 'run them' in the backyard laugh.gif

*Lots and lots of cuddles, tickles, hands-on playtime and sling time as well during the day.
If I hadn't been 36+ weeks pregnant at the time I would've popped him into our bed, when Bee went through the same stage and did something similar I did that with her, into our bed from the first wake-up. It meant I could just put a hand on hear and quickly reassure her, and we were all back to sleep much sooner, with less stress.

I hope something works for you soon.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:46 PM

Its so hard, Nathan did the same for a while - sorry can't remember his age, but I was pregnant with Emily at the time so he was probably bewteen 11 months and 15 months.

I tried the same as Jaydee above, this one often:

QUOTE(Jaydee @ Feb 18 2011, 10:24 AM) View Post

when Bee went through the same stage and did something similar I did that with her, into our bed from the first wake-up. It meant I could just put a hand on hear and quickly reassure her, and we were all back to sleep much sooner, with less stress.


but only so I could sleep, it didn't solve the problem of waking often at night.

TBH, I can't remember what made it better. He still wakes in the night, or if he sleeps thru we start the day anytime from 5am. Sorry I'm not much help, but I hope you can find a solution to make him sleep better for you.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:47 PM

oh its horrible isnt it.

reagrding the 6am wake up, i have read that some children just like to start their day early and no matter how much later you put them to bed they will still get up at 6am. While this may be the cse, i have just retrained Chloe to wake at 7:30am-8am from the 6 am thing. All i did is when she woke i would feed her and then put her straigt back down, no interaction whatsoever so she realised that this is not a time to rise and will result in her going straight back down, seems to have worked as i havent had a 6amrise in over a week now.

In terms of him waking through the night, its a tough one. Is he specificvally waking for you or is he just having trouble self-settling. We watched a video at mothers group the other day that showed the parent getting up, turning the child onto their side and patting their back with one hand and the mattress just above their head with the other hand. I had never seen this before but it seemed to work with all the children regardless of their age, so this may be worth a try
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 02:32 PM

I never thought I would see the day that I saw you writing that you had read Save Our Sleep Heather laugh.gif

I would suggest the book doesn't really cover nightwaking specifically because there could be so many different reasons why it is happening.

My 2 first thoughts are whether you think he could be hungry or cold. Just out of curiosity what to do put him to bed in at night. I find summer really difficult to get the bedding right because I feel so hot myself but I know they need more bedding than we do. And the humidity always plays a part too. Do you use aircon in his room at night? I have found Charlie gets pretty cold with the aircon on (ours is refridgerated) and have read that the room temp when aircon is on is probably actually a couple of degrees cooler than what a baby monitor will show if you have one that has a temp reading. You could try an extra layer or 2 and see if it helps at all.

Are you feeding him at all when he wakes? If so, does he seem hungry or just taking it because it is a comfort thing?

Could his day sleeps be having any impact? Any chance of too much sleep during the day?

Maybe he is just needing your comfort to get back to sleep? If that is the case I know leaving him to self settle is probably not your cup of tea so could you try patting him to sleep initially, then just having your hand on him, then standing by the cot etc and gradually removing yourself from his settling process? I have never used that approach myself so can't comment really but have heard of others that have had success with it.


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Posted 18 February 2011 - 04:15 PM

QUOTE(Jaydee @ Feb 18 2011, 01:24 PM) View Post

Oh Heather sad.gif

Levi was exactly like this at about 10 months, it's a special kind of soul-destroying sleep deprivation, isn't it?

He's got a comforter, doesn't he? What does he do when he wakes up? Just scream? Levi's problem was really bad separation anxiety (he was a bad sleeper before, and hadn't slept through yet, but his sleep went beyond worse when the separation anxiety hit).

Things we tried-

*A light on nearby, like the bathroom light with the door mostly closed.

*Turning his room into a "big boy" room with a special car cushion in the cot, sheets with trucks/cars/etc on, a train wall decal with our photos in it on the wall above his cot...basically making it as enticing as possible to be in his cot without leaving a sugar trail wink.gif

*Whipping out the good old Sounds of Silence CD and playing the one that sounded like a dryer on repeat. All night. laugh.gif

*An airwrap around the cot so feet weren't getting stuck.

*Putting about six dummies in there so he could find one easily rolleyes.gif

*Really tiring him out in the afternoon- even now I'll take the kids for a walk most afternoons (not in the pram), or will get DH to 'run them' in the backyard laugh.gif

*Lots and lots of cuddles, tickles, hands-on playtime and sling time as well during the day.
If I hadn't been 36+ weeks pregnant at the time I would've popped him into our bed, when Bee went through the same stage and did something similar I did that with her, into our bed from the first wake-up. It meant I could just put a hand on hear and quickly reassure her, and we were all back to sleep much sooner, with less stress.

I hope something works for you soon.

I tried a night light but it was too bright (the one on the monitor) there is a light on up the corridor but I am currently looking for a light that is really dull, as I was on that thought process that maybe because he goes to sleep when it is still a bit light he might wake later and not really 'know' where he is. So that one I need to do.
Angus seems like such a baby, not sure he would react to a 'big boy room', There is already a boat quilt hanging on the cot and have the airwrap too. He has a teddy in the cot as well. Not sure what else might help him. Good thought though.
Everytime I've put music or SfS on he has slept even worse....I don't know if he 'likes' it!? I have a little fan in there atm as it is good white noise anyway.
Airwrap check and he doesn't have a dummy.
TRying to do the tire him out thing atm, he is up about 3.5-4 hours before bed and I try to take him out into the heat and 'use the big muscle groups'.
he won't cosleep so that is not an option...Wish he would!
He has 3 comforters I'm trying to get him to attach to, none are working thus far.

QUOTE(scasey77 @ Feb 18 2011, 03:32 PM) View Post

I never thought I would see the day that I saw you writing that you had read Save Our Sleep Heather laugh.gif

I would suggest the book doesn't really cover nightwaking specifically because there could be so many different reasons why it is happening.

My 2 first thoughts are whether you think he could be hungry or cold. Just out of curiosity what to do put him to bed in at night. I find summer really difficult to get the bedding right because I feel so hot myself but I know they need more bedding than we do. And the humidity always plays a part too. Do you use aircon in his room at night? I have found Charlie gets pretty cold with the aircon on (ours is refridgerated) and have read that the room temp when aircon is on is probably actually a couple of degrees cooler than what a baby monitor will show if you have one that has a temp reading. You could try an extra layer or 2 and see if it helps at all.

Are you feeding him at all when he wakes? If so, does he seem hungry or just taking it because it is a comfort thing?

Could his day sleeps be having any impact? Any chance of too much sleep during the day?

Maybe he is just needing your comfort to get back to sleep? If that is the case I know leaving him to self settle is probably not your cup of tea so could you try patting him to sleep initially, then just having your hand on him, then standing by the cot etc and gradually removing yourself from his settling process? I have never used that approach myself so can't comment really but have heard of others that have had success with it.

I know can you believe it! I was amused myself, breaking point is breaking point and I welcomed the suggestion to read it from a friend. Honestly I do swallow my previous misconceptions about it, the book is not the horrible read I thought it would be, there are still aspects to it that I don't like (but that is more what I have seen in interviews with her etc) BUT I did over react somewhat. There, can you believe I've said that. Might come and delete it later. laugh.gif

Anyway, hunger wise. He 'appears' to eat a good dinner and dessert...not sure if I should change his current dessert of watermelon to a more filling soy yoghurt maybe?
he has a bath then a little crawl whilst he is dressed then a cup of milk (a good 150ml-200ml, I dropped this BF to ensure he does have a big feed) then he has cuddles, book reading etc and then goes to bed. I don't feed him until 4.30am at the EARLIEST so he hasn't fed prior to this time for months...so wakes up prior to then I really don't think he should be waking hungry...right?!
Overnight clothing I have no idea what to do. He is a VERY hot little body. He gets beads of sweat on his nose when I am feeding him at 5am so I don't think he would be hot overnight? I know Tizzie has quite an opinion on keeping them warm, I don't know what she suggests for the temp of his room overnight as it is not in this book but his room would be 23-24degrees overnight. The aircon is on because otherwise the house gets too hot. He wears a cotton short sleeved top and shorts to bed. ATM he wears a 0.5 Tog sleeping bag but I'm currently taking that away as my husband thought that he kept getting stuck in it and that confirmed my suspicions too. So I'll tuck him in with sheets and a quilt.

Day sleeps are most days 1 hour in the morning and 1 hour in the arvo. I doubt that is too mcuh sleep? I've tried 1 day sleep but it doesn't help, well he did have 1 day sleep the other day and slept better until 3am but I suspect that was exhaustion.

He wakes and I just don't know why he wakes. I'm happy to let him cry but I guess coming from my background with the kids of them waking and crying from reflux its not been something I usually do.

I have dropped some of our night time and bedtime routines incase he is starting the 'dropping off process' when I am doing that so that he is going down absolutely and completely awake. Then he wakes overnight and doesn't require much....last night he woke 2 hourly and Chris had to just roll him over and pretty much left straight away. So I'm confused. If he is waking because he gets stuck how do we teach him to get comfortable. Is it just letting him cry it out?

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 05:20 PM

I can't remember ages but I know Ri has gone through stages of waking often, and still does. A couple of reasons I have found are too hot/cold, hungry (growth spurt) and seperation anxiety, oh and reflux. Hope you find the answer soon.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 06:13 PM

Hi Heather

As a Save our sleep user with both my kids. I would maybe think it was coldness. Just by looking at your clothing for sleeping.

I have Tizzies bedding guide which I am happy to email to you if you would like. I would also get rid of the quilt because that might be making him too hot. Babies will also wake if they are too hot. Are you using Cotton or Bamboo Bedding? Cotton breaths the best also do you have a mattress protector on? As this can make them sweat due to the plastic lining
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 06:33 PM

QUOTE(Heather :) @ Feb 18 2011, 05:15 PM) View Post

Overnight clothing I have no idea what to do. He is a VERY hot little body. He gets beads of sweat on his nose when I am feeding him at 5am so I don't think he would be hot overnight? I know Tizzie has quite an opinion on keeping them warm, I don't know what she suggests for the temp of his room overnight as it is not in this book but his room would be 23-24degrees overnight. The aircon is on because otherwise the house gets too hot. He wears a cotton short sleeved top and shorts to bed. ATM he wears a 0.5 Tog sleeping bag but I'm currently taking that away as my husband thought that he kept getting stuck in it and that confirmed my suspicions too. So I'll tuck him in with sheets and a quilt.


I noticed recently when the weather got cooler again that Hattie slept so much better when her nursery is 21/22 degrees at night than it is when it's warmer. At 24 she get sweaty when she works herself up crying (mind you she is wrapped still which doesn't help) and she is generally so much more restless. Maybe he is hot? Hattie's currently sleeping in a oneies and her wrap me up and that's it and she's warm when I get her up but not sweaty
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 07:04 PM

Heather, are you taking away the bag tonight? If it's hot that's waking him he might not like any covers? Bella just sleeps on top of a sheet with the fan on in her room, she cracks it if I try and cover her up! She's wearing short sleeved PJs smile.gif During the day she just naps in a nappy. Maybe tonight will be the night? If not is C going to be on duty tomorrow night? Something to look forward to!
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 07:54 PM

QUOTE(Heather :) @ Feb 18 2011, 03:15 PM) View Post

Anyway, hunger wise. He 'appears' to eat a good dinner and dessert...not sure if I should change his current dessert of watermelon to a more filling soy yoghurt maybe?
he has a bath then a little crawl whilst he is dressed then a cup of milk (a good 150ml-200ml, I dropped this BF to ensure he does have a big feed) then he has cuddles, book reading etc and then goes to bed. I don't feed him until 4.30am at the EARLIEST so he hasn't fed prior to this time for months...so wakes up prior to then I really don't think he should be waking hungry...right?!
Overnight clothing I have no idea what to do. He is a VERY hot little body. He gets beads of sweat on his nose when I am feeding him at 5am so I don't think he would be hot overnight? I know Tizzie has quite an opinion on keeping them warm, I don't know what she suggests for the temp of his room overnight as it is not in this book but his room would be 23-24degrees overnight. The aircon is on because otherwise the house gets too hot. He wears a cotton short sleeved top and shorts to bed. ATM he wears a 0.5 Tog sleeping bag but I'm currently taking that away as my husband thought that he kept getting stuck in it and that confirmed my suspicions too. So I'll tuck him in with sheets and a quilt.

Day sleeps are most days 1 hour in the morning and 1 hour in the arvo. I doubt that is too mcuh sleep? I've tried 1 day sleep but it doesn't help, well he did have 1 day sleep the other day and slept better until 3am but I suspect that was exhaustion.

He wakes and I just don't know why he wakes. I'm happy to let him cry but I guess coming from my background with the kids of them waking and crying from reflux its not been something I usually do.

I have dropped some of our night time and bedtime routines incase he is starting the 'dropping off process' when I am doing that so that he is going down absolutely and completely awake. Then he wakes overnight and doesn't require much....last night he woke 2 hourly and Chris had to just roll him over and pretty much left straight away. So I'm confused. If he is waking because he gets stuck how do we teach him to get comfortable. Is it just letting him cry it out?


I agree it doesn't seem very likely that hunger is the issue. One thing I will say that Tizzie says she has noticed quite often that kids can start night waking after the introduction of cows milk - not sure if you are using cows milk or other. I don't know how much I subscribe to this suggestion but thought I would put it out there.

He could be cold. As you said Tizzie advocates keeping them much warmer than most. I use her bedding guide as a general rule but my kids are a little hot so I use a little less. But at 23-24 degrees I would generally have Charlie in a Bonds Easysuit (long arms and legs), 2.5TOG bg and 6 cotton blankets. I know I know you are probably shocked but it is what works for us and he is never really sweaty on waking - just toasty. I have actually taken to turning the aircon up lately though and putting less bedding on.

Charlie went through a period of getting stuck in his bag when rolling around and sitting up. I did a bit of role playing with him whilst awake where I would show him how to lay back down from sitting and how to roll in a bag. Not sure if it helped but he did stop waking from it after a couple of weeks. He would still get upset if he woke on his tummy though as didn't seem to be able to get back to his back. It is only in the last month or so that he can just rock and roll all over the cot, sit up then lay down etc etc in the bag and doesn't have any problems getting stuck.
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Posted 19 February 2011 - 12:39 PM

Hi Heather smile.gif

I agree with Scasey that he could be cold. If you have any polyester in his clothing or bedding that could be what is causing him to sweat. Also I would remove the mattress protector if you are using one if its not 100% cotton. The humidity is a bit of a pain ATM but generally I am using at about 24 degrees, full length suit, short sleeve suit underneath, 1 tog sleeping bag and 6-7 blankets smile.gif

HTH babe, let us know how you go smile.gif

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 12:47 PM

I have no advice Heather, but i hope its just a phase and stops soon.

I can't beleive how many people are using 6-7 blankets. I use one sleeping bag if we are lucky otherwise he is just in a onsie if its really hot.
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Posted 19 February 2011 - 02:37 PM

QUOTE(kisma @ Feb 19 2011, 01:47 PM) View Post

I have no advice Heather, but i hope its just a phase and stops soon.

I can't beleive how many people are using 6-7 blankets. I use one sleeping bag if we are lucky otherwise he is just in a onsie if its really hot.

Phase is 7.5 months long so far...wonder how long it will last!!?!?!?!?

Thanks for your thoughts/advice/experiences girls. Last night he went to bed without the sleeping bag as he has consistently gotten stuck in it and wore his usual cotton short sleeved PJ's then had 1 sheet, 2 cotton blankets and a thicker bamboo blanket. I popped in not long after doing this and he seemed quite warm. It didn't help his night wakings although we did get some progress.
What I did notice is that control crying is not working, and I have noticed this before. So I am trying the idea above to stand beside the cot and gradually reduce that. So from tonight I'll be doing that, i.e going in and replacing him to a comfortable position and then standing there.

I'm still absoluetly amazed by everyones bedding, I just don't know if that would work for Angus. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think we have 'plastic' bedding, the mattress protector is a more expensive one with cotton piling on the top and the PUL underneath so I don't think it is causing him to sweat. He just gets hot. Our 3 year old is the same and will tell us he is hot so I suspect Angus will head the same way. So I think I'll do the same bedding tonight as the night before but put it on him earlier in the night given Tizzie suggests that doing it later on is actually potentially too late. So we shall see what happens tonight. Definitely lots of food for thought.

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 04:24 PM

Nope not a phase at all laugh.gif We are in a similar situation although not quite as bad, but for a while we have had a minimum for three wakings a night (all bar the night he was babysat where he slept soundly until 2am rolleyes.gif). I was reading a thread on EB the other day about gentle techniques to get baby to sleep, they may have something of use? Although they are long.

Ibest of luck.
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