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Posted 25 October 2008 - 07:37 AM

QUOTE(MeganH @ Oct 24 2008, 11:46 PM) View Post

Hey, can I ask a question of the Hillsongy people? I've read media reports (I'm a journalist so tend to suspect everything I read, so I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm just curious) that one of the tenets of the Hillsong church is that personal prosperity is okay and 'God wants you to be well-off'. To what extent is this a big media beat-up?

I'll try and answer this as best as I can. In saying that I think a lot of things about Hillsong in the media are a beat up. rolleyes.gif

God never says that being wealthy is a sin. It's the love of money that's a sin. God will choose to bless people financially I believe because He knows that they will use that money for good. Some of the wealthiest people I know are Christians, but they are also the most generous, and they know that all they have is really just God's and He is allowing them to use it for Him.

So I think God does want certain people to be well off, not so they're just 'rich' but so they can use that money for His glory.
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 11:30 AM

Well said Kylie!!

I will also just add to this, it's not wrong in God's eyes to be wealthy. But more so what you do with your wealth that becomes wrong.

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. (Matthew 6:19-21 NIV)

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 07:27 PM

Thanks for explaining that, guys.

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 06:09 PM

No Problems. More than happy to help explain and clarify when needed. If i don't know the answer I will go ask Daddy!! (I'm a PK as mention earlier)tongue.gif

Kylie - Just curious, What was the reaction at Hillsong in relation to the MG scandal IYKWIM? Did Brian and Bobbi say anything about it?

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 08:37 PM

Shannon, I must admit I wasn't there in the weeks that kind of surrounded it, but they did send us an email just saying that he had admitted it was all a lie. Brian mentioned a few things on his blog, let me see if I can find it again.

Here we go.

Did I mention I start working for them in 3 weeks? In payroll/finance. laugh.gif I'm very much looking forward to asking questions like that. I'm dying to know how those leading Hillsong Music especially reacted.
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Posted 28 October 2008 - 11:09 AM

QUOTE(* Kylie * @ Oct 27 2008, 09:37 PM) View Post

Shannon, I must admit I wasn't there in the weeks that kind of surrounded it, but they did send us an email just saying that he had admitted it was all a lie. Brian mentioned a few things on his blog, let me see if I can find it again.

Here we go.

Did I mention I start working for them in 3 weeks? In payroll/finance. laugh.gif I'm very much looking forward to asking questions like that. I'm dying to know how those leading Hillsong Music especially reacted.


ohmy.gif I didn't know anything about this but what a lie to keep up! How very disappointing for all those who prayed and had belief in him too. I guess the man needs more prayers if he thought it okay to continue with such a farce.

Kylie, how did your current employer take your resignation? Are they treating you okay? Re Hillsongs, I've heard lots of reports of their musicians making huge personal salaries and that they hardly support any charities (well, when questioned in the media, the church ministeries were evasive in their responses so that was the beat-up) and I would hope these are just rumours. I must admit to feeling uncomfortable with the thought of making huge amounts of money from God and not using it for His purpose.

Oh, and by the way, I think it's lovely being able to chat to fellow Christians here. wub.gif
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Posted 28 October 2008 - 07:48 PM

My DH was kind of stunned when he heard the news...

Can I ask you guys a question? Is there somewhere in the Bible that states that one should give 10% of their earnings to the church (or something like that)? This is something that DH's pastor told me and DH confirmed it as well. I asked him if I could read it but he forgot where it was!! It's not something I've heard of before and was curious...

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 10:13 PM

QUOTE(nephthys @ Oct 28 2008, 12:09 PM) View Post

ohmy.gif I didn't know anything about this but what a lie to keep up! How very disappointing for all those who prayed and had belief in him too. I guess the man needs more prayers if he thought it okay to continue with such a farce.

Kylie, how did your current employer take your resignation? Are they treating you okay? Re Hillsongs, I've heard lots of reports of their musicians making huge personal salaries and that they hardly support any charities (well, when questioned in the media, the church ministeries were evasive in their responses so that was the beat-up) and I would hope these are just rumours. I must admit to feeling uncomfortable with the thought of making huge amounts of money from God and not using it for His purpose.

Oh, and by the way, I think it's lovely being able to chat to fellow Christians here. wub.gif


Yeah I know, one can only imagine what mustve been going on inside that mind. I feel sorry for the family. He mustve been pretty good that not even his wife knew. I mean how exactly do u fake that kinda stuff? Nose Bleeds, hair loss etc? Surely his wife would've been to some sessions with him?

Oh and by the way Nepthys. The feeling is mutual. It is wonderful to finally have some people who understand me. smile.gif


QUOTE(AnA927 @ Oct 28 2008, 08:48 PM) View Post

My DH was kind of stunned when he heard the news...

Can I ask you guys a question? Is there somewhere in the Bible that states that one should give 10% of their earnings to the church (or something like that)? This is something that DH's pastor told me and DH confirmed it as well. I asked him if I could read it but he forgot where it was!! It's not something I've heard of before and was curious...


Yes there is such a verse in the bible, in the Old testament.
However in the New Testament it statse;

"Each one should give as they have decided in their heart to give. Not reluctantly, or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." (II Corinthians 9:7)
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So basically yes tithe, but do it because YOU want to, not because you are supposed to or because someone told you to, or if the Preacher really tugs on your strings. It has to come from the heart and from God.

You can also check out some more verses on tithing here. http://www.squidoo.c...y#module3590263

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 10:44 PM

Thanks pinksweetie...

The pastor was reminding me how important it was about the 10%. I don't think he was putting pressure on me, but it might have been because our ideas were different and I wasn't aware of this.

I'm going to have a good read and mull over it..



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Posted 30 October 2008 - 11:42 PM

Hi girls,

I thought I would come in and say hi as well smile.gif

Both my husband and I are Christians - I was raised Anglican and he was raised Catholic. We now attend an Anglican church and are raising our children Anglican.

My husband was raised in a much more religious environment than I was - he went to a Catholic school and his whole family (immediate and extended family) are all very involved in their church etc. I went to Sunday school when I was very young, but not after the age of about 6 or 7... I went back to church by myself when I was about 25 and found that I really enjoyed it. Since marrying and starting a family, my faith has become even more important to me - it's a really strong foundation of our marriage and I would like to raise our children in a home that is very conscious of God's presence in our lives.

One thing I find a little difficult, and would be interested to hear others' experience on, is the reaction of your family if they don't share your faith. It saddens me a little that my family can be quite condescending / sarcastic about Christians - even my Mum who will attend church with me when she visits us in Canada. I don't know what to say to them so I just laugh it off when they make offensive comments but it does hurt a little. Do any of you girls have similar experiences? Thankfully we get so much support from my husband's family regarding our faith (and there has never been any issues at all that we are raising Charlotte and Andrew as Anglican as opposed to Catholic etc), so this is a blessing...

I also just wanted to say - it's great that the mods finally added this sub-forum - yay!
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Posted 31 October 2008 - 10:40 AM

Hi Lizzard!! smile.gif

Hmm majority of my mum' side are christians, so obviously they are really supportive!
However Dad's side are a bit more sceptical of the whole thing. They don't really poke fun at it, but aren't overly supportive or forthcoming when it comes to "churchy" things.
My Grandma (Dad's Mum) is probably the hardest to get through to, I have had many special ceremonys etc over the years and she only comes to maybe 1 or 2 if that. However if it was Sarah my 4 year old cousin, having a special event of any other nature, she wouldn't miss it for the world!!

Do you know that when we sent out inviations for our wedding 2 years ago, My auntie (little sarah's mum) rang up and asked if we could change the date of our wedding because that was the same date as little darling sarahs dance concert reharsal!!

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 12:32 PM

Hiya Girls, I thought I would make my face known in this forum also. I am a Christian, and was raised Uniting, went to Sunday School, got confirmed, the whole bit. I've always had issues with admitting my religion to people though. I got married Catholic 3 years ago (coz he was, and for some reason the Catholic's don't let you marry outside Catholicism, but I figure that as long as it's Christian!) and have seperated from my husband back at the beginning of August, and plan to divorce him next year. I find it so weird that Catholic's HAVE to be married Catholic, but half of them don't even believe in the religion. My hubby always thought it was too much effort, and that it was stupid. I can understand because his dad use to force all of them to go and "appear" perfect, but to me Church and Christianity is not about "appearing" perfect, and keeping up appearances. I get so much from talking to Christ. I think it is one of the best feelings in the world to know that you are loved unconditionally. I went to my sister's Church "Citipointe" in Brisbane a few times and it is so great how they use the music to create an even more uplifting experience. After going to hers, and then going back to a Uniting with my mum I felt like the Uniting wasn't enough -- but then after thinking about it, I do actually like the Uniting also. I don't think worship should only be done "this way" and not "that way" and I think it is great that there are so many different ways to worship and experience God. Because after all, no matter how you worship, it is all the same God in the end! laugh.gif
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Posted 31 October 2008 - 04:48 PM

Hi Turtle. I didn't think that Catholics have to marry Catholics.

I'm Catholic and my DH is from the Uniting Church. We've had no issues with the Catholic church or anything. Are you talking about family perceptions and traditions (that I would understand!)?

But I agree with you - to me it is about your belief and faith in God. Perhaps I am being simplistic and naive about it... smile.gif

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 08:21 PM

QUOTE(nephthys @ Oct 28 2008, 12:09 PM) View Post

Kylie, how did your current employer take your resignation? Are they treating you okay? Re Hillsongs, I've heard lots of reports of their musicians making huge personal salaries and that they hardly support any charities (well, when questioned in the media, the church ministeries were evasive in their responses so that was the beat-up) and I would hope these are just rumours. I must admit to feeling uncomfortable with the thought of making huge amounts of money from God and not using it for His purpose.

Oh, and by the way, I think it's lovely being able to chat to fellow Christians here. wub.gif

I agree. wub.gif

My bos took it quite well actually, I think he's realised he needs to be nice to me if he wants me do a lot of stuff before I go. He told me that he wanted to be mad at me but he couldn't, because he could never understand why I'd want to work there anyway at my age! So, it's been not a bad few weeks. 8 more working days!
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Posted 01 November 2008 - 03:14 PM

Hi guys, I wonder if I can post in here?
Since having my daughter I have been thinking a lot about what kind of spiritual influences I want her to have. I was brought up agnostic but went to a Catholic school, and my hubby is Catholic but not practising. I have been thinking I would really like to have my daughter baptised and attend a Catholic school, because I think the pastoral care and moral values they instilled in me was invaluable. I don't know at this stage if I want to become Catholic myself, but I do want to find out more. In the future I would like to participate in my daughter's spiritual life, by attending church with her etc but obviously not taking communion and so on.
I thought I would contact our local priest and have a talk about it. I guess I feel unsure if it's ok just to 'test the waters', IYKWIM. The last thing I want to do is be offensive or make a fool of myself. blush.gif Any opinions?
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