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#1006 Swarles Barkley

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 08:39 AM

Jazy, Eliza has Zantac, and I use an empty panadol bottle that I put through the dishwasher several times before I filled it. It's handy because it comes with the little plastic box and a spot for the suringe, so its nice and neat in my bag. To combat the leaking panadol bottles I put the whole green box in a small ziplock bag.

Sara, Eliza used to sleep through 7-7 though went backwards at 4 months and started waking during the night. How long does it take for them to 'get it' again? Wednesday night she had a dreamfeed at 10.30 and got through to 5.45. Thursday she slept 7-7 and refused her dreamfeed. Last night she had a dreamfeed and then woke at 3.20. The only other thing that was different was on Thursday she had a crappy morning sleep and a decent afternoon sleep, where the other two days she had a decent morning sleep and crappy afternoon sleep.

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 11:26 AM

QUOTE(Jazy84 @ Nov 4 2011, 07:58 AM) View Post

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 06:36 AM

Sara, thanks for that info. We started the dream feed because of low weight gains as a way to get extra food into her and she is so used to it now that I'm not game to get rid of it til we have established really good sleeping through. Since I'm still having a lot of unsettledness post 5am it's not time yet. I did remember the bringing the dreamfeed forward bit so I'll just wait til she is eating solids happily and see how we go.

Just another question, does any one have any luck with resettling when they wake up happy and chatting? I normally leave her if she is just playing/chatting but the chances of her going back to sleep (with or without me in there) seem to be close to nil. I've had it happen a few times when she has woken up at 5.30, chatted for a bit then I've bounced her back to sleep after 20 mins of whinging but for day sleeps it seems to not happen. lately we've been having good 1hour 20/30 min sleeps and then awake and happy. Sadly, it's not quite enough sleep and results in grumpiness after about an hour or so but the resettling isn't working. If she wakes up after 40 mins or an hour I can normally resettle ok.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:00 PM

Nup, if she wakes up happy and is chatting, there isn't a chance in hell she will go back to sleep. During the night she will if she is chatting after a feed, but during the day I just leave her there until it is time to get up (or close enough).

Are they meant to sleep for the full two hours? Eliza always wakes up after 1h40m. I wish I knew what was waking her in the morning, it is always 3.30ish, and doesn't matter if she had a dreamfeed or not.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 06:22 PM

Hi girls

Can only pop in quickly at the moment but will be back later to read properly.

The 2 hour sleep time in the routine is the MAX sleep time. Anything of 1hr 20min or more is considered an OK sleep. It was rare that my kids did the full 2 hours for both day sleeps. Cate usually only did 1hr 20min at both sleeps but Charlie usually did 2 hours one sleep and 1hr 20min for the other.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 07:06 PM

April, I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't get a chatty baby back to sleep! If she wakes up rubbing her eyes and yawning I have a pretty good shot but the giggling and chatting I am yet to succeed (during the day at least).

I don't think I ever get the full 2 hours during the day sleeps either, so it's also good to know I'm not alone. At the moment she seems to do about 1hr 20 to 1hr 40 mins pretty well but then wakes up happy and won't go back to sleep. I guess I should consider that a win then smile.gif

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 08:11 AM

Just popping in to say we are going to try again. She is feeding alot better and my supply bounced back quickly. We have her needles next week but hopefully it has no affect.

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 08:34 AM

Oh, ok, cool, thanks Sara.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 09:41 AM

Jazy - good luck.

Swarles/Tigridia - I used to use the rule that if they woke happy they had probably had enough sleep during the day sleeps. Of course this is not always the case but was a pretty good rule in general. My 2 pretty much only ever woke happy if they had had more than 1hr 20min when they were young. Anything less than that they usually woke grizzling which for me meant they hadn't had enough and I tried to leave to resettle if possible.

Swarles - is Eliza taking a decent feed when she wakes at 3:30am?? If she is then it is probably just hunger and might resolve itself once you get solids established so I would just go with it until then.
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 07:12 AM

Hi.
Just wondering if there's anyone still around who has used Tizzie's routines? I've been wanting to start it with my now 8 week old bub, but I'm finding it inpossible to keep him up for the required length of time. He's fully breastfed, but is quite a quick feeder due to my huge supply (probably from 2 hourly feeding!!) so the 25 min one side and 15 min 2nd side feeds don't happen either. He often only as one side.
Any tips for me?


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:24 AM

I'm still here and I used the routines (loosely) for Astrid for quite awhile and may do so with the new bub too. I'm by no means an expert but I did find that you sometimes it's easier to start off with a routine for a younger baby so they aren't going quite as long between feeds if you are having trouble stretching him. I had Astrid on routines 'younger' than her age for quite awhile and slowly progressed through them until she caught up. We needed to feed more frequently anyway due to her weight issues so it worked from both angles.

As far as trying to stretch between sleeps and feeds, I think you just have to try and distract them with playing or a walk or a car trip.... If they are really screaming the house down and are desperately hungry then it's fine to feed but sometimes it's just wanting a comfort feed or something to do and distraction works. Even stretching 10 mins at a time is a good start. Certainly don't think that you have to feed for the 25 min/15 min thing. Just do your normal feed til he is full then go from there.

Also, don't think you can go from 2 hourly feeds to 4 hourly in one go. I'd go and find a routine that most closely matches what you are doing now (even if it's a newborn one) and stick with that for a few days and try and move to the next one.

Does any of that help?
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:27 AM

How long is he meant to be up for? DD is 9 weeks now and is up for about an hour. She's FF but can take up to half an hour to finish a feed, sometimes only 20 mins but that's rare.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 11:45 AM

Thanks, Tig. That does help. I'm just finding it hard to use distraction stuff with a very busy toddler who is sick and sooky at the moment. Terrible weather isn't helping either, so I can't even take them both for a walk! Very over winter. I'm trying to get him on to the 4-6 week routine, but I'm struggling to even stretch to 3 hourly feeds.
Windsor, he's lucky to last 45 mins (max 1 hour) from waking to showing tired signs such as jerky movements, grimacing and grizzling. Doesn't take long to ramp up to full on crying!
We have got the self settling thing happening though with mostly less than 5 minutes of protest crying so I guess that's a win!!


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 03:32 PM

BD, isn't it relatively normal for BF babies to still go 2hrs between feeds this young? Even though I've read that DD should be up 1-1.5hrs she's still generally only up for an hour, sometimes less if she's getting grizzly. If she's awake any longer it's generally because we need to go somwhere and I'm taking too long to leave the house...

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 04:40 PM

I know at the same age as your bubs Windsor and Babydream that Astrid was only up for around an hour. Sometimes it was longer but it took her a long time to have lots of awake time. Even now she sleeps more than the average 2 year old and gets tired is she is awake for too long.

BD the self settling is awesome and sounds like you have that bit going well! Is he doing more than 1 sleep cycle? I found the key to getting longer between the feeds is to try and resettle for more than 1 sleep cycle when possible. It doesn't always work and it would be much harder with a toddler to entertain as well. Certainly if you are on 2 hourly feeds now I'd try and start stretching that closer to 3 during the day and work on getting the sleeps longer. Even if the awake time stays the same and it takes awhile to resettle. Astrid was a lot older than your 2 before we went to 4 hourly feeds. I think some babies are OK with it but she did stick to the routines fine, just ones younger than her age for quite some time. I only moved her to the next one when she looked like she needed more awake time and it wasn't too painful to stretch her for feeds. It's always hard for a while though.

I'm not sure what your night time sleep/feed routine is like but I'd probably stick to sorting out the days first and then deal with the nights. The dream feed did work well for us and I'd always try to resettle until it got to a 'reasonable' hour (after 6am was OK for me, I never could be bothered resettling until 7am every day but it gradually got closer to that over time). I have little tolerance for screaming babies in teh middle of the night so if she woke up hungry I'd feed overnight and just resettle straight away (and persist with the resettling even if it took forever).

The other thing I found is that sometimes I did have to wake her if it got to the next feed time and she was still sleeping. Obviously if she was really tired or we'd had a lot on I wouldn't worry about it that day but in general I would try and stick to the routine at least loosely and it started working better overall.

No real advice on how to entertain the toddler and stretch the baby (I am not looking forward to that one! smile.gif ) and it would be harder in Winter. Just try and do it 10 mins at a time though. It's not going to go from 2 hour feeds to 4 hourly quickly. I'd aim for around the 3 hour mark and if you have to put the odd extra feed in around arsenic hour then it's no big deal.

Oh the other thing I found useful (may or may not work for you) is to not put them down for a sleep after 4-4.30ish pm) if you want them in bed by 6.30-7. It can be horrendous for a few days but it actually made the bedtime easier. There were some days a nap was needed because the whole day had been a disaster but in general once the baby was up from that afternoon sleep I just had to try and get through a couple of horrid hours and she would go down at a reasonable time and would tend to sleep/feed better overnight. We ended up using a 6.30pm bedtime (and still do now) as that is what works better for her so don't feel you have to get to 7pm if that is too hard. Some nights 6pm was good too!
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