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Posted 03 November 2011 - 06:11 PM

ok I need to ask about low supply and SOS?
I think I will need to give upp until Aly starts taking both breasts because it just too long between feeds for each breast, my supply has died in the bum. Too be honest I think we have feeding issues aswell. She was a lazy feeder to start with, with poor suck. She has gotten much better and stronger. Then add to that only feeding off 1 breast and refusing the 2nd even though I'm sure she should be hungry. dammit.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 06:25 PM

That sucks Jazy sad.gif I think Eliza stopped taking both around 3 months. I kept offering them to her and around 15 weeks she started taking both again.
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Posted 03 November 2011 - 06:50 PM

I wish that was the case with us, but she has only occassionally taken both breasts. I was hoping with spacing the feeds out more she would be inclined to want to fill up but shes just fighting even more now. I went and weighed her today to track her gains. If she takes a good feed then i will "follow" sos, well techniques.We will just see how we go.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 07:57 PM

Jazy - have you had a chat to the ABA or a lactation consultant? I have known quite a few that only feed off one breast at each feed but their supply has adjusted for that. So they didn't have to feed off both breasts each feed to kept supply up to them if you know what I mean. What makes you think your supply is dwindling? Have you tried her on a bottle of EBM or formula after a breastfeed to see whether she is still hungry - that way you would know if it's a breast thing or if she just doesn't need to drink much at each feed.
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Posted 03 November 2011 - 08:36 PM

Yeh I understand what you mean. She was satisfied with one breast in the early days but as we have gone through growth spurts I have seen her need more but wont take the 2nd breast, and when she did she would just throw it up. So I think its a combination of that and supply. I think supply because when I go to feed her when shes hungry she latches then chucks a paddy shortly after. I don't feel like she is settling in for a feed and shes been taking longer and harder to feed when she does. I gave her some EBM, just enough to tie her over. I'll keep expressing tonight to build it back up a bit. I'll also give her a little more gaviscon, in case its because of her reflux, in the morning, and just hope she is more willing to feed and finds it easier, therefore more willing to continue BFing. Oh and her nappies have been drier.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 10:47 PM

Well fingers crossed she picks up a bit soon. I was lucky enough to not have supply issues so I can't imagine how frustrating it would be. There is motillium which helps boost supply. I had that when my milk didn't come in with Cate and it worked a treat. So could be worth asking about. And have heard a few people have success with fenugreek tablets too. But ultimately I guess you need her to be feeding well to keep it up. I know you are by far more of an expert on reflux than me but maybe her meds are quite at the right level yet and she is a bit uncomfortable?

Oh and I meant to say as well that if things with supply go a bit haywire then it could definitely be worth just doing what needs to be done routine wise until things pick up. No point sticking to the routines when there are obvious hunger/feeding issues.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 07:29 AM

Thanks Sara. I expressed only once last night because I was unsure when she would wake for a feed, then was too tired to express during the night. But she feed well thru the night. I left her on for about an hour at one feed even if it was just sleepy comfort sucking I'm sure it all helps supply. Have woken feeling a bit better about it but seems She doesn't. I have given her her meds including extra gaviscon (which I expressed some BM to mix it with instead of water, only about 10mls) But as far as feeding she is flat out refusing. I go to lay her down to get her into position and shes just arching, grunting and growning. If I get closer with my breast she starts crying. sad.gif I've stripped her down to a nappy and have my chest mostly exposed but its not helping her.
I guess it sounds like it could be reflux related breast refusal (even though I think she has been better, but feeding worse?) or just straight breast refusal. I tried to ring the breastfeeding hotline in her red medical book (1800 mum 2 mum) but was engaged. Do you know if I can call the ABA even though I'm not a member?

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 07:58 AM

Ok I looked up the ABA they are the same mob but the websites phone number was 1800 686 2 68. I didn't get thru on that number either. She has actually finally latched on but not really feeding but I'll leave her there for now. Shes dozing :s oh well as long as she gets milk. I'll still cal ABA and might give the reflux org a call. I'm loathed to introduce the bottle while she is refusing, last nights was her first ever and also because I'm afraid what it will do to her reflux. ARGH why is it so hard. sad.gif

Sorry to bombard a sleeping thread with feeding and reflux issues.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:46 AM

SOS is not just about sleeping Jazy it is about the entire baby so don't feel bad about posting feeding issues in here. Sorry to hear Ali hasn't improved this morning. I remember both of my kids going through a refusal period at around 4 months and remember it being pretty common so maybe it is that. But like you say it could be pain related too. So hard when you don't know what is going on.

I did find wearing a breastfeeding necklace to help a lot with the refusal/fussy period because they focused on playing with the necklace and were more happy to attach. Could be worth a try.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 10:43 AM

Whats a BFing necklace? Is it just a necklace to wear for them to play with?

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 10:53 AM

Yes. They are bright an colourful. I got a specific BF necklace because they are put together with safety of bub in mind in terms of breaking etc. It have colourful balls and teddy bears on it. But you could just try a bright costume jewellery type necklace. Just make sure iti s quite long so they can easily play with it whilst you sit up straight. Don't want to be getting a sore neck leaning down.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 12:45 PM

Jazy, i've battled extremely low supply from the start sad.gif A combo of issues for me, retained placenta and a baby with a tongue tie and no suck reflex meant my milk never came in properly and she still doesn't suck properly. I've been doing motilium, fenugreek, lactation cookies etc from the start and for awhile I was probably supplying about 50% of the breast milk she needed but I'd say most of the time she has been at least 80% formula fed. I do feed with a supply line though so she gets the formula through the line while at the breast. This has meant I get the stimulation to keep some supply. I'll say I was worried when Astrid suddenly dropped to four hourly feeds. We were using routines for younger babies pretty much from the start as she also had weight issues so I was 3 hourly feeding for ages. Then she started stretching out and decided to go four hourly about 3 weeks ago. I was a bit worried the long stretch between feeds would jeopardise supply. Also, when she dropped the night feeds I had the same concerns. Sometimes it drops for one feed but overall it seems to recover.

With the breast refusal. I've had a few rounds of this. The worst was about a month ago when Astrid was pretty similar age to Aly now. I thought our BF was over as there was no way I could keep any milk when she just wouldn't feed. I hung in there and just gave top ups in the bottle after trying to BF for at least half an hour. Usually she would suck twice and spit it out or refuse to latch at all but every now and then would do one feed ok. Seemingly it was enough to keep the small amount of milk I have. It is very frustrating though!! Def talk to a lactation consultant as they were very helpful for me.

On Astrid sleeping news, after 630 yesterday morning she only made it to 545 this morning but resettled in 15 mins and I got another sleep cycle out of her so she made it almost 7am. I know she doesn't need the o/night feed any more as if I do give it she refuses any more for 4 hours so I try to just resettle. of course I was awake again from 5am but hopefully I can get out of that habit soon if she continues to sleep. I shouldn't complain as she is always in bed by 7 and I do get several hours continuous sleep these days.

Sara, when did you drop the dream feed? I don't want to drop it yet as she still takes a lot at that feed and is only really consistently sleeping through the last couple of weeks. I'm thinking I"ll look at getting rid of it after she has been on solids for awhile? We will start solids some time after 5 months as I'm also doing BLW and she is only just starting to show signs of being ready and isn't quite there yet.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 01:25 PM

Tigridia - I never did the DF. With Cate I didn't start the routines until 12 weeks and she was already sleeping 9/10pm to 7am so when I started the routines I was lucky that she just went straight to 7-7.

Charlie I decided not to do it either and just see how he went. He gradually stretched his night feeds out on his own and was sleeping 7-7 by 3.5/4 months.

If you have been doing it I would keep doing it for now. Tizzie recommends keeping the DF until you have been on solids for 8 weeks and they have been consistenly sleeping through during that time. Then you move it forward 30min every 5 days until at 8pm. If still sleeping through then drop it after being at 8pm for 5 days. If she starts waking early at any stage during the transition you go back to feeding at the time where she was last sleeping through and keep it at that time for 5 more days before trying to move it forward again. I hope that makes sense.

Most people I know that follow SOS have given up DF at around 6-7 months old.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 10:32 PM

I thought I'd better come back and update. We're having some success with day sleeps, particularly in the morning, but she just can't get past the 40 minutes. She wakes and starts really yelling (after happily self settling in the first place - usually no more than 3 minutes protest) and the only way I can get her to settle again is to put her in her capsule, in her room, with a wrap over the top of her. Then I sit and rock the capsule for 5 - 10 minutes till I'm sure she is asleep. The thing is, after that one wake up, I can leave her in the capsule and she'll sleep another 2 hours if I let her, so obviously coming up and down between cycles there. I don't get it.

Afternoons I can't get anything more than an hour out of her at best, so we need to keep working on that.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 10:36 PM

We have gotten through today. I just went with whatever. I suspect its all reflux related sad.gif everytime I try to lie her down she starts to whimper. When she was flat out refusing feeds I calmed her with the dummy eased her down near my breast and did the old switch-a-roo as quickly as possible. Was pretty successful. I sent ABA an email and got their reply tonight, wasn't that helpful but I'm still going through the attached links now. I'll have a look out for a necklace. I'm really over how frustrating reflux is. Just wondering if anyone haas an travel ideas for about 15mls of liquid? I was using a tupperware container smaller then a snack cup (I think a smidgette or something) I had gripe water in it at one point and it leaked all through my bag, not impressed.




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