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Posted 04 April 2008 - 09:19 AM

That is working great Jess.

No changing routines here. Taylor is still super tired come 9.20am laugh.gif So we are still doing the 9.20am and 1.20pm sleep times. Which suites me fine and makes things easier when it's hubby taking charge biggrin.gif


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Posted 04 April 2008 - 09:37 AM

Sounds like things are going well Jess and glad to hear the night wakings have calmed down.

We are still the same too. Getting in 2 decent day sleeps and a nap then bed at 7 and sleeping through. The only thing I am worried about is her feeding. Because she sleeps through she is not getting the DF so only 4 feeds a day. Her weight gain has dropped right down and she quite often has dry lips so I am not sure she is getting quite enough. She is feeding until she stops though so not sure what else I can do. I don't want to introduce a DF when she has been sleeping through from 7 weeks old - surely she would wake if hungry at this age. She is still having wet nappies so can't be too bad I guess. I will be happy when I introduce solids so I can get a bit more milk in with those feeds too.
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Posted 05 April 2008 - 06:34 PM

Sara, I know Cate is fully breastfed and they say a breastfed baby doesn't need water, but maybe just a little bit before a sleep or halfway through her awake time might help with the dry lips etc ?

We have been through the same with Taylor around the 3 or 4 month mark, so I can imagine how you are feeling. You are right though, if she is still having plenty of wet nappies she should be getting enough. Have you ever given Cate EBM ? If so, you could always try giving her some more breastmilk that way after she has finished feeding from you, to see if she does want more. For me it was a case of low supply when it came to the bedtime feed.



Well, update on us. This morning Taylor didn't seem as tired as she normally does before her morning sleep. So I decided to try the 9 to 12 month old routine. I thought putting her to bed at 9.50am straight up may not be a good idea, so I just stretched her out to 9.35am. She slept for 2 hours. Then kept her up for 3 hours, then back to sleep at 2.30pm where she then had an hour sleep. Hubby was home all day, so that helped with keeping her entertained for the extra time that she was awake. She did get a bit grizzly at 2pm, but we kept her going. When she went in her cot though she really cracked for a few minutes, but then was quiet and went to sleep.

So she survived today on 3 hours, which is what Tizzie says a baby of her age should be having during the day. So it will be interesting to see what time she wakes in the morning. As previously she would wake alot at 6am, but we wouldn't get her up until 7am (she woudl call out etc, but was never unhappy). And this is what I figure contributed to her being so tired before her first morning sleep.

If it goes well, I will have to stuff up Monday though because of a hospital appointment that she has. I'll probably have to go back to an early bedtime for one day, as I need to get her up earlier than 11am to feed her, because she has to fast for 4 hours huh.gif And the 9 to 12mth routine will definitely not work with that.


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Posted 06 April 2008 - 02:44 PM

Thanks Amy.

I have just started giving Cate 1 formula bottle during the day so that she gets used to a bottle and she seems to take that better than the EBM. She is taking about 190 - 200ml from that and I have tried to BF her afterwards but she never takes it so presume she is getting enough. I also presume she is taking a similar amount during her BF. So she would be getting about 800ml a day which I don't think is quite enough. I will ask the CHN about it next week.

Sounds like Taylor may be ready for the next routine. Hopefully Monday won't get her too out of whack.
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Posted 07 April 2008 - 09:10 AM

Amy sounds like Taylor might be ready for the next routine. The 9 month one is a bit less structured because they go down to sleep 3 hours after they woke up from the morning sleep, so not necess. at the same time every day. But I actually find it a bit less stressful just letting her sleep until she wakes up! How did she go this morning?

Scasey I'm not sure what you should do about Cate's dry lips etc. but really with plenty of wet nappies she's probably fine. When you say her weight gain has dropped off, is it really drastic? I never really worried about Tessa's weight gain I just made sure she looked healthy - alert, clear eyes, wet nappies etc.

Well we are having fun with daylight savings switching over. We were up at 5:50am this morning (after letting Tessa yell at us on and off for 45 mins). So I managed to keep her up until 9am, and she's having a pretty good sleep now. I know there's a chart in the book about preparing for daylight savings issues, but TBH it was all a bit much so we are just going to ride it out for a week or so and hope Tessa adjusts on her own eventually!!


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Posted 07 April 2008 - 09:36 AM

Good luck with the switch back Jess.

Yesterday Taylor did great with the new routine. I put her down at about 9.40am, she slept till 11.25am. Back to bed at 2.30pm, but she didn't go to sleep until about 15 minutes later, cheeky possum. She was talking away during that time, so totally happy which was great and I had to wake her at 4.15pm.

Today is a right off though, as Taylor has to be fed shortly before fasting for 4 hours. She is having a Barium Swallow done today, so I just let her have a 45 minute nap and will put her down again around 12/12.30pm for an hour hopefully.


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Posted 07 April 2008 - 10:41 AM

I hope Taylors appointment today goes well Amy.

Cate weight is definitely not a drastic drop - and to be honest it could just be our scales. I am not worrying about it too much and have decided not to weigh her again until our CHN appoint next Thursday. The wet nappies are definitely still happening and we are having dirty nappies on a regular basis - about once every day and a half or so. She still seems her usual happy self too.
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 12:10 PM

Hi mummies,
I have just started my 7week old on the routines (doing the 4-6week routine though). I have 2 questions

1. How do you really know the difference between protesting and emotional cry??

2. How do you stay awake till 10pm?
If I feed Eli at 10 he will wake between 1&2 and again at 5:30-6:00 but if i leave him he is sleeping from 7 till 1. shoulud i still perserve with the 10pm???

Am looking forward to sharing this journey with you all.

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 09:15 PM

Hi Girls !!!

We have been following the routine for about a week now, the routine of having the same feed times every day is really working for us smile.gif

I'm lucky because Max just goes to sleep once I put him down, I swaddle him then pop him in the cradle which is in our bedroom and he sleeps. I think being awake for two hours is his limit!!

I have been using his cot sometimes for his playtime as it has a mobile over it which he loves to look at and it has music as well. Do you think this will be a problem once we move him into his cot ??

Amie - I think the protesting cry is more of a grumpy/angry cry then a sob with tears ? wacko.gif

Not sure about the 10pm feed, maybe after a few more nights if you include the 10pm feed he might wake a bit later then 1-2am, he might stretch it out to 2-3am which would then move the 5:30-6 out as well ! Maybe try for a week and see what happens ? i'm only new at this too, hopefully someone else can advise smile.gif
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 11:30 PM

Hi Amie and Jess.

Amie - detecting the difference between a protest and an emotional is really hard sometimes and I still am not sure every now and then. The thing I found the easiest was to really listen to the pitch and length of the cries not the volume. I have found that a protest cry can become very loud and high pitched and sounds emotional but isn't. The emotional cries really are a very constant cry - each cry sounds exactly the same so no ups and downs ie waa, waa, waa, waa ,waa ,waa - just like a record playing over and over. The protests go up and down and change in length. It is really hard and no doubt you will mistake an emotional cry for protest and vice versa. It does get easier though.

I can't really help with the DF as we were lucky enough to never have to do one on these routines. I would think that the DF will eventually help your bub sleep longer. With everything in the book I believe you need to continue trying for at least a week to see if there is any change. I would keep persevering with the DF for now.

Jess - glad to hear the feeding routine is working well for you. I can't remember what Tizzie says about using the cot for playtime but I would try to avoid it if you can. Is there somewhere else you can put the mobile so you can still use it? I will have a quick look in the book and forum.

Things are much easier once these routines are up and running so keep at it.
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 08:42 AM

Quick question: Eli went to sleep at 8:30 this morning after less then 5min of protesting. Then woke about 45-50min later with a definate tired cry. tried to leave him to resettle but wasn;t working so gave him a dummy to help get him back to sleep. How do you handle this??

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 09:47 AM

Hi Amie

How has he been sleeping before this - does he normally sleep for longer? If this is his usual thing then it sounds like he is catnapping. With the catnapping I was told to intially get Cate up as soon as she woke and try and re-settle her elsewhere (not in the cot) so that she would get used to the fact that it was still sleep time. It took about 5 days of doing this for every day sleep before she would sleep longer than 1 sleep cycle (40-45min). It was very rare that I would get her back to sleep elsewhere but she must have got the message that it was still sleep time.

If he normally sleeps longer then maybe it is just a one off. I know Cate wakes after this long at least a few times a week but not all the time. I usually leave her to protest until she goes back to sleep and this can take upto 15-20min with on and off protesting. Then the next time she wakes I get her up - even if her sleep was only 10 min. I praise her for going back to sleep and then just continue on with the routine as normal. I am not sure if this is correct or not but because she doesn't do it all the time I am not too worried.

I can't help with using the dummy as Cate never took one so I didn't have that issue.

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 07:59 PM

Amie - Max often does this with his 9am sleep too ! probably every second day, sometimes he will go back to sleep if I give him a dummy otherwise he will get very angry so I pick him up and put him straight in the swing and about a minute later he will be asleep smile.gif I don't mind as long as he is sleeping !!

Its weird some mornings from 9-11am I don't here a peep out of him and other days at 9:45 he wakes up !! wacko.gif at least he always goes back to sleep.

Last night Max woke at 4am for his feed ! he is getting a bit later each day .... one day soon it will be 7am ! I think I might miss our 3am feed though, as crazy as that sounds tongue.gif
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 08:12 PM

Not crazy Jess biggrin.gif You get so bloody use to it don't you.

I use to dread the thought of hubby doing nightwork. But when he did his first week of it after Taylor was born I found it really good. I had someone to ring and speak to during those early morning feeds laugh.gif
The early morning tv is a real b*tch though laugh.gif


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Posted 26 April 2008 - 09:27 AM

Hey girls,
Jack is 9 months and we roughly follow the routine.
Since daylight savings he has been waking at 6 or 6.30 and going back to bed around 8.30 9.

This morning however he slept till 7.30am.

What Im curious to know is at 9 and a bit months what would be the recommended time awake before a morning sleep and also an arvo 1.??

Also how long should each day sleep be at his age??

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