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#46 ~~KylieB~~

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Posted 24 March 2008 - 05:18 AM

I hope so, i cant take much more. Last night was the worst we have had for a while. Got him 2 bed at 7, he then woke every 1 and a half hours, until 12.30. He then demanded a bottle, then back 2 bed at 1 and woke at 4.30, 4.15. Fed him at 5 and he is still awake. I dont know what else 2 do. I am so tired and all he wants is me. I cant even put him down 2 have something 2 eat
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Posted 24 March 2008 - 10:16 AM

Kylie - that doesn't sound nice. Has Andrew always woken during the night? Has he got any sleep aids (dummy/mobile) that he might be needing when he wakes up during the night? I am very lucky that once Cate was asleep she didn't wake so I am not quite sure what you could try. I will have a browse on the SOS forum and see if I can see anything you can try. When he wakes are you leaving him to protest? Is he having the dreamfeed at 10:30? How many layers have you got him in/Is it possible he is cold?

I know Tizzie recommends a lot more layers than the Grobag people say - if you are using Grobags that is. When Cate's nursery is 24 - 26 we have her in a long sleeved all in one suit, a 1.0TOG Grobag and 2 blankets. She is never hot when we get her up - just toasty warm.


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Posted 24 March 2008 - 10:48 AM

Normally he wakes at 3 then 6.30ish, I normally get him up at 7. As 4 a dummy, sometimes he goes 2 sleepwith it, and sometimes quite happly not. I was talking 2 Michelle and we think he may have a case of silent reflux. I just gave him some mylanta n a feed and no protesting while being fed which is not normal. He hasnt had a morning sleep, so I think I will pop him 2 bed a little earlier
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Posted 24 March 2008 - 12:44 PM

Kylie,
Did he feed good after a dose of mylanta??

i hope things improve for you soon..
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Posted 25 March 2008 - 08:46 AM

How did you go last night Kylie??
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Posted 25 March 2008 - 08:57 AM

Been a while since i have posted in here..
Things are on the improve, we are doing the DF now which has made a huge difference to sleep. Hubby does most nights DF as im just so tired by 8pm and Cooper is a bit hit and miss when he wakes in the morning, it can be anywhere from 5am-6.30am. The last week he has been waking up at odd hours screaming then going back to sleep, could he be dreaming?

Saw someone mentioned the Grobags, we also use more blankets on top, he doesnt get to hot at all and is just right when he wakes. I have just bought a warmer bag for winter.

Kylie awww you poor chook, hmmm also try baby gaviscon if you havent already? we used it a few times for cooper when he had reflux and it worked. Have you also raised the head of the cot? (sorry all questions you have prob answered i havent read back)

I know what you mean about time for yourself, I have had a whinging bub for the last 2 days its driving me batty!! Then refusing to nap during the day blink.gif but this morning went down without a fuss, guess there are bad days and good ones, stay positive im sure the good ones are on the way smile.gif

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Posted 25 March 2008 - 01:40 PM

Kylie how did things go last night? If it is reflux then you may need to be a bit more flexible with the routine, but hopefully you can get it under control and have a happy bub in no time!

Just thought I'd update on us moving up a routine. It is def. resulting in longer sleep times during the day. Yesterday i put her to bed about 10 mins too early and she catnapped for both sleeps. But today I have waited 2 hours 45 mins before taking her to her room, changing nappy, attempting to read a book (although she squrims and complains through that bit) then placed in her cot. She is still screaming the house down as soon as she works out what's coming though sad.gif It only last 2-3 mins but is heartbreaking. I really don't know what the problem is, we've been doing these routines since she was 12 weeks and in the last 6 weeks she seems to be going backwards blink.gif The random night wakings are still happening - last night she was awake from 3:30 - 4:30am and I could not work out what was wrong.

Anyway, maybe she is still going through a 'phase' and I just need to ride it out. We do go away a fair bit so maybe that's it - every time we come home we have to start on the back foot a bit.

I am also starting back at work tomorrow so will update in a week or so on how we are going with the nightime routine and fitting it all in!

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Posted 25 March 2008 - 01:47 PM

Last night was heaps better thanks girls

He went to bed at 7.15, woke at 1.30 for a feed then slept from 2.20 til 6.40. I got him up at 7. He has then slept for 30mins in the morning. This arvo he has had 3, 45 min naps. He is not good during the day with self settling, but at least he has had something in the way of sleep. I think it may be a work in progress as far as self settling. I have tried leaving him to protest, but he just gets so worked up that I then spend ages calming him down. At the moment I am concentrating on just getting him to have a sleep, then I will work on the self settling part I think, but the feeding routine part is working well
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Posted 25 March 2008 - 01:54 PM

jess have you ruled out coldness at that 3.30am time? Thou i know last week cooper woke at 2.30 and chatted away for 45min and im pretty sure he wasnt cold. Do let us know how you go with work/sleep

kylie glad to hear things are better today for you smile.gif I agree focus on the sleeping for now, one step at a time. Once he gets into a routine/pattern then you can look at the self settling

I may have mentioned this before, I never thought i would follow the SOS routines fully, thought i would just take bits out here and there but now we follow it all feeding/nap times. Funny thing is even my doctor follows it with her son, and she said i dont know why but it just "works"



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Posted 28 March 2008 - 09:20 AM

Just giving this a little bumpity bump.

How are we all going?

Our random night waking are still happening and it is now taking an average of 90 minutes to get T back to sleep. Two nights ago she woke at 4:45 and just didn't go back to sleep at all.

So, I am taking serious action! So far we have ruled out:

- Cold. She is in her winter grobag and the heater is on in her room. I'm not sure of the temp, but it is noticeably toasty warm
- Hunger. We gave her a big dinner last night of mashed potato then dessert of mashed banana and pear. She ate heaps then had a breastfeed before sleep

While I was up at 1:30am last night trying to get her to self settle, I did a desperate check of the SOS site and found this interesting piece of info (not sure why I've missed this before)

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Usually a baby of six months will show the first signs of a self-settling problem by waking at about 5:00am. Then she will begin to wake at 11:00pm, and by the time your baby is one year old she will be waking at 9:00pm, 11:00pm, 1:00am, 3:00am and 5:00am! The sooner you solve the waking problem the better.


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Feeding a baby to sleep is another trigger I come across quite often. The parents I talk to don't even realise this is happening. When I ask parents if they put their baby down awake, they generally believe they do. However, what they don't realise is that while their baby may look like she is awake, she has already begun reaching that heavy-eyed, falling asleep stage while feeding.

In reality, she has been aided into slumber. Therefore, when she wakes during the night, she wants that same help to get back to sleep. I ask these parents to bring everything in the bedtime routine forward by 20 minutes and have some play time before they put there baby to bed. Often just making this little change and asking the baby to settle from wide awake causes the night waking to disappear.


Tessa often falls asleep when I am BFing her before bed of an evening. I always try to wake her before I put her down, but it seems this is not enough.

So tonight I am going to feed her before her bath and see what happens....

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 09:34 AM

Sounds like a good plan Jess. We try and give Cate 10-15min of play time after feed but before bed. It is not active play time but just interacting with her to make sure she is wide awake.

I read all the stuff about babies onyl starting to surface between night sleep cycles when they reach about 8kg and I am not looking forward to it. After so long of not having to get up during the night I don't know how my body would cope. It is awhile off for us but I will be following with interest on your progress.

We are going well. Cate is still sleeping very well at night 7-7 and her protesting is not too bad. Some nights there is none and others there is 10 - 15 min. Once asleep she doesn't wake though.

Day time is OK - she will have 1 good sleep and 1 OK sleep and then a nap in the late arvo. It is so much better than what we were getting before the routine that I am really happy. She seems to be a much happier baby knowing what is coming - and she was pretty happy before so this is just great.
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Posted 28 March 2008 - 09:47 AM

I've never joined the SOS forums but I know from when Kaz use to always give out great advice that some of it wasn't even contained in teh book. I had to tell my SIL this too, as SOS didn't work for them because they didn't try long enough and some hints/tips that I had received were from Kaz, not the book.

Those wakings are interesting Jess. Since our scares with Taylor recently we have switched her monitor from movement over to sound and movement. So we can hear everytime she wakes. I have been going to bed pretty late and she seems to always wake anywhere from 11pm to midnight (with other wakings earlier too). Only once this week has it been a problem (but it was earlier at 9.45pm), but not for long, I got her back down within half an hour, though I do think her issue is separation anxiety.

NOrmally Taylor is waking around 4 or 5 times a night, but self settles back to sleep without me needing to go in to her.

I am going to be using a Grobag this winter, though I bought the next size up which is 18 months to 3 years (half price so couldn't pass up a bargain). I am hoping her big head won't let me down and it will be the right size for her by the time it gets cool enough. And hopefully she will like it and not kick up a stink. We haven't bought any for daytime use though. Do you think I should ? .......... I guess when the time comes I can just see what she is happy with.


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Posted 28 March 2008 - 01:50 PM

Scasey - T was an awesome night sleeper until about 6 weeks ago! So just keep that in mind for down the track. It can be pretty upsetting when you're not prepared for changes in behaviour, but when you take a step back it's probably not reasonable to assume our bubs wil behave the same way all the time with the amount of growing and developing they have to do! I'm glad you are having so much success, though smile.gif

Amy is Taylor just under blankets now? Personally I think sleeping bags are awesome and Tessa has pretty much used one exclusively since she stopped the being wrapped. It's already pretty cold here, especially at night, so I just use the same bag for day and night, and have the heater on at night.

With the night wakings, Tessa often stirs anywhere from 1 - 4 times between 7pm and midnight, but is able to settle back. Before these night wakings started, she would also often cry out in the wee hours but would go straight back to sleep. But now she is def AWAKE! I'm not sure what else to try if changing the night time routine around doesn't work. I think I will have exhausted all avenues by then and can be pretty confident that it is separation anxiety of a similar 'phase' that we just have to ride out. It's been going for about 6 weeks now, though.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 01:58 PM

I hope it all works out Jess.

Taylor doesn't have any blankets/sheets atm as she is all over the cot. We just dress her to suit the temperature of her room. Our days and majority of the night is still warm atm.


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Posted 04 April 2008 - 08:17 AM

Just thought I'd update on how we're going with the routine and me returning to work, if anyone is interested.

There have been two main adjustments. The first is that we start the day at 6:30am instead of 7am. This is so T can have her full morning sleep plus a full breastfeed before I have to drop her at childcare at 11:30am.

The second is that I have switched the bath and the final BF of the evening around. So we BF at 6:30pm and bath at around 6:45pm so she is in bed by 7pm. We have worked it so hubby can pick her up at 5pm on the days she is in CC, so she gets dinner around 5:15/5:30pm.

I think that it is a combination of this later adjustment and some serious self settling work that has stopped the random night wakings. Well, for the past four night in a row anyway (fingers crossed). We are still happy on the 9 month routine, and most days T has 2 x 90 minute day sleeps. When she's at CC she seems to be sleeping for about an hour, which isn't too bad.

So that's us! How's everyone else going?




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