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#31 Kaz

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 06:14 PM

QUOTE(KEJ @ Mar 20 2008, 05:00 PM) View Post

How did you go with the routine when Taylor was that age Amy?

I was reading the book again the other day and wondering just how strict you need to be...for instance if the book allows 1 hr for a feed but you finisf sooner, can you put bubs down earlier or do you wait?

Also with breastfed babies she advises to take them off the breast and burp them every 3 mins...did anyone do that?


KEJ - I started Em on the routines when she was about 12 weeks - it took a good couple of days for her to get the hang of things but I didn't want to leave it for any longer than that!

When you question regarding the strict times etc - yes you need to stick to the exact feed/sleep times....it is important that you try to keep your bubs awake for the recommended time smile.gif

With regards to breastfed babies - SOS also recommends that you burp bubs after 30mls when taking a bottle but I never did this.

Sounds like you are all doing well. Scasey - wow haven't you come along way - see it pays to be consistent doesn't it tongue.gif
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 06:41 PM

IMO you start seeing improvement the first time you get bub to sleep using the self settling successfully.
I think it's important to look at each individual achievement and be proud of that, even if the next sleep goes pear shaped.

And like Kaz said, you really do need to try to stick to the times.

Even though it may look strict, remember that Tizzie encourages sleeping in places other than the cot (eg. pram). So she doesn't expect us to put our babies on her routines and then be housebound for the next couple of years laugh.gif That is why the afternoon nap of going for a walk in the pram is good as it's about getting bub use to sleeping in places other than their cot. So when you go shopping etc, you know bub will sleep.

I can basically throw anything at Taylor routine wise now and nothing phases her. The only time she starts yelling at me is if she is hungry and I am too slow with her solids biggrin.gif or if she is bored and wants to do something different playwise.


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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:23 PM

I am so pleased to hear that the routine is working so well for you and Cate!!! I bet she is a much happier bub now too biggrin.gif I found it so much easier to cope once i started the routine cos before that i just had no idea and cooper was really grumpy and was feeding all the time instead of sleeping properly. I think he was about 5/6 weeks when i started to introduce a bit of the routines....(didn't do it 100% till he his 8 weeks as she said not to start till 8 weeks if you weren't going to express in preparation for growth spurts).

I think the settling thing was also the hardest and i think it is completely normal for them to be a little bit more unsettled at night than for their day sleeps (hang in there it will get better i promise!). It was hard to hear him protesting but it didn't take him long to learn what to do and now as soon as i put him to bed he grabs his comforter and plays with that till he goes to sleep biggrin.gif biggrin.gif It is absolute bliss having that hour or two 2x a day to get stuff done or to have a decent nap yourself.

It is very important to stick to the routine to the dot - put bubs down early and they won't be tired enough for a full sleep only a nap....she recommends giving them a bath if you have to to keep them awake - once they have some good big sleeps it won't be so hard to keep them up for the times set out.

Oh and i wouldn't worry about Cate not getting enough milk, she sounds like she is thriving without the dreamfeed biggrin.gif

And hey, if you have a day out and the routine goes to crap, just get back on track the next day. I've even learned how long cooper needs to be up to be ready for a big sleep so if he only naps i can work out what time to put him down for the day to work out right so he'll be ready for bed come 7pm smile.gif
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 08:14 PM

QUOTE(~~KylieB~~ @ Mar 20 2008, 02:59 PM) View Post

We bought the book. Now just to read and start trying it. How long once you started did it start to work for you?


Kylie - I saw changes straight away with the self settling side of it. I was personally much less stressed about putting her to bed. The biggest change was about 5 days after starting as this is when she stopped catnapping and sleeping better during the day.

QUOTE(KEJ @ Mar 20 2008, 03:00 PM) View Post

How did you go with the routine when Taylor was that age Amy?


I was reading the book again the other day and wondering just how strict you need to be...for instance if the book allows 1 hr for a feed but you finisf sooner, can you put bubs down earlier or do you wait?

Also with breastfed babies she advises to take them off the breast and burp them every 3 mins...did anyone do that?



KEJ - I started Cate at 11 weeks and as you can see within a week we are going really well. Things are so much easier now and I feel that I am diong better by Cate as she is getting so much more sleep.

As the others have said you do need to be strict with the sleep and feed times. This is why the routine was so hard initially as I had to really work at keeping Cate awake until the sleep time until she was used to the different times.

I didn't do the burping every 3 minutes but I do burp regularly. As long as you are sure you are getting rid of a majority of the wind it should be OK.

Tonight was a bit of a breakthrough with Cate's bed time. She only protested for about 2 min before going quiet and drifting off to sleep. By far the smallest amount of protesting she has ever done at night time.

I can also recommend joining the SOS forums. There is a cost but I have received some great advice from the moderators there that is not in the book.
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 08:23 PM

QUOTE(scasey77 @ Mar 20 2008, 09:14 PM) View Post

I can also recommend joining the SOS forums. There is a cost but I have received some great advice from the moderators there that is not in the book.


laugh.gif already am - have been for 8 months!!! You are so spot on they are great in there aren't they Cate biggrin.gif

Quick q for you. Em has been waking a couple of times during the night. Does Cate stir/cry/protest during the night??? Or is it just the initial going to bed process??? Em has been waking twice a night since having a bad cold for 2 weeks - she hasn't had the cold for about a week now.....I have been lazy and feeding her ph34r.gif yes naughty me BUT I too have been sick so have had no energy to listen to her during the night even if it is a protest cry blush.gif SO I am going to get tough tonight.....as I already think I have started a bad habit ph34r.gif
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 09:16 PM

Cate hasn't protested during the night yet - thankfully. She does stir/wake up because I hear her talking to herself sometimes, especially in the early morning. I don't know how I would cope if she did protest during the night.

I guess if she has slept through before you know she can do it so maybe it is time to be tough. Easier said thandone though - especially when you just want them to go back to sleep so you can too.
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 05:35 AM

Thanks - well last night she slept 7-6.40 biggrin.gif funny thing is I didn't have her in her grobag which she is ALWAYS in - I just thought last night I would try something different - who knows if that was it though wink.gif
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 08:55 AM

Yay - well done Emily. Who cares what it was - she slept biggrin.gif I know the first day Cate had good day sleeps I had put pants on her so now I just keep doing it in case that's what it was tongue.gif
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 08:59 AM

Well we started the new routine today. He woke at 4.30 for a feed so I fed him, then back to sleep. I woke him at 7 and topped him up, then at 8.20 fed him his solids. Changed his nappy at 9 and wrapped him and popped him into bed. He protested for 9mins which became an emotional cry, so I got him up, gave him a drink of water, he burped, I rewrapped him and put him back to bed. and no protest at all. And he has now been asleep for 25mins. Lets see how long it lasts. I feel like a bit of a victory

And an hour and 20 later and my baby is asleep, he had a small protest at the 40 min mark, I set my clock for 12mins and listened, after about 4mins he was back asleep. Woohoo, I am so proud of him right now.
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 10:03 AM

That's great Kylie. Good luck and stay strong. Fingers crossed it doesn't take too long to get rid of those catnaps during the day. Keep us posted on how you go.
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Posted 22 March 2008 - 12:24 PM

well done Andrew!

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 12:29 PM

Well done Kylie,
You wont know yourself once he starts day sleeping good.

Jack used to always cat nap of a day(and night laugh.gif )

Now he sleeps i get bored..

Sometimes he does wake after 40 mins but often puts himself straight back within a few minutes
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Posted 23 March 2008 - 01:09 PM

Today is a shocker, he wont self settle, he just cries until I get him, he starts protesting so I leave him, he then just screams, I have checked for everything. Ijust want time 4 me, but apparently I dont get that. Why wont he sleep????????????????????
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Posted 23 March 2008 - 01:30 PM

Keep with it Kylie and think today is nearly over.

I know so many times I wanted to give in to jack but just when you think they dont know they do it..

Hang in there hun
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Posted 23 March 2008 - 08:48 PM

Hang in there Kylie. It took 5 days for Cate to start getting much better.

With the protesting is it emotional or just really strong protesting?? I jsut ask because there are many times that I have been about to go to Cate thinking it was emotional but I always gave it another couple of minutes and 9 times out of 10 she calmed down. It seems to be when they hit their peak that it can sound emotional even when it is not. I have to really listen for the changes in pitch and length. Cate used to take 20min of strong protesting at night to start calming down.

I hope tomorrow brings a better day for you.

Cate is going amazing well. SHe has now been self settling with very minimal if no protesting for about 3 or 4 days now. Even at night she has gone 3 nights without even protesting - just drops off to sleep. biggrin.gif Her morning sleeps are 1.5 - 2 hours, arvo sleep 1 - 1.5 hours and a 30 -40min arvo nap. Nightime she is in bed at 7, asleep by 7:30 and doesn't get up until 7am the next day.

Matt and I are loving having time to ourselves once she is in bed as previously she wasn't in bed until 10 - 10:30 so we will going straight to bed ourselves. I now get to enjoy dinner too without scoffing it down.
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