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#1 scasey77

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 09:45 AM

I know there was a thread around for people who were using these techniques awhile ago but it doesn't look like anyone has posted there in quite a long time so I thought I might start another one.

We have just started trying the routine and self settling techniques in the last few days and Cate is 11wk old. The main reason we started is that Cate had been getting increasingly unsettled before bedtime in the last week. After speaking to the CHN we thought that she was probably starting to anticipate bedtime coming and was protesting against it.

We had previously been patting her to sleep or using the mobile.

I have been struggling with the emotional vs protest cry and we actually got it wrong last night. I *thought* she sounded different but didn't trust myself and didn't want to go in and ruin the protesting she had already done. I did go in though and turns out she had vomitted everywhere. I felt like the worst mum and cried a lot. But on the upside I know that it was definitely an emotional cry and it did sound different so I have that as a bit of a reference.

After putting her down the second time last night she was asleep within 15 min and slept through until 7am (which she has been doing for awhile now so that is no great surprise).

This morning I put her down for her morning sleep and she protested for 8min before falling asleep so another success - she actually went to sleep - yay biggrin.gif

She generally catnaps during the day so we will see how long this sleep is. I think I may have been under dressing her so I have put an extra blanket on her today to see if that makes a difference.

QUESTION: What do you dress your baby in during the day? Our nursery is usually between 22 - 26 in the day and I have only been using a short sleeved/short legged all in one and a 0.5TOG Grobag. Does this seem too little?

Today it is 21 so I have used a long sleeved/short legged all in one, a 1.0TOG Grobag and a thermal blanket.
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Posted 15 March 2008 - 09:47 AM

OK - so maybe no one else is trying this at the moment but I will keep this thread going as a bit of a record of how we are going so I can see the progress.

Yesterday was a mixed day. Both of the day sleeps were successful in terms of self settling. She did that both at 9am and 1pm. She still catnapped though and was up about 30min after going to sleep. I got her up both times and tried re-settling elsewhere but with limited success. I also tried extra layers for these sleeps as I have read that catnapping can be caused by being too cold. Apparently Tizzie does not believe the recommendations on the Grobags are enough.

Last night was great - she protested for about 15min before I thought it mightbe emotional. I went in and got her up and she did a little burp. I cuddled her for a few minutes then put her back down. She went to sleep with no protesting and slept through until 7am when I had to wake her up for her first feed biggrin.gif

So far today she went down for her 9am sleep with less than a minute of protesting. She is still asleep but we are just over the 30min mark so we will see how long she sleeps for.

Feeling more positive today.
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Posted 15 March 2008 - 09:56 AM

Sounds like it is going well Sara.

When you tried to settle Cate elsewhere, did you use your pram at all ? i found this was the only thing that worked for Taylor. Our pram lived in the house for a while because of this biggrin.gif


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Posted 15 March 2008 - 12:08 PM

Thanks Amy. I haven't tried the pram yet. I have only used that for her afternoon nap when we go out for a walk. I have only tried the rocker so far and she hasn't ever really gone back to sleep for any length of time. Do you know when re-settling whether it is OK to resettle in your arms or to rock the rocker etc. Or is this bad because it is a sleep aid??

Also, how long did you continue to resettle elsewhere before Taylor started resettling herself in the cot?? And how long did you leave her to protest before getting up to resettle elsewhere?
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Posted 15 March 2008 - 12:43 PM

Sounds like it is starting to work biggrin.gif Woohoo!!! You won't know yourself soon when you put her to bed and don't hear a peep from her!!

I normally dress cooper in singlet/t.shirt suit, growsuit, 1.0tog bag and a couple of blankets if house is around 24 degrees. Another thing to check with the catnapping is that she is not hungry. Otherwise if trying to resettle elsewhere (with no aids like rocking or holding to sleep) doesn't seem to work after 5 consistent days you can try pushing her bed time back by 10-20min to get her to be tired enough for a 'sleep' not just a 'nap' - this is what i had to do with Cooper.

Good work so far, keep it up smile.gif
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Posted 15 March 2008 - 12:52 PM

Sounds like it is going well Sara.Cate is a champ.WE arent doing SOS but very similar as we went to tresillion.Its only now Jack has started to be reable to resettle after 40 mins.It makes life easy.I still anxious around 40 mins(its about that now and i feel ill)..

She will get there and it will get easy.

Mu advice is though make sure you remain strict.Last time jack got it we got a little relaxed and well it nearly all went out the window..

Dont think your a bad mummy your just learning the same she is.

A bad mummy would not have been concerned at all.You werent to know she vommited and when you did you fixed it..You arent bad just an L PLater like the rest of us..


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Posted 15 March 2008 - 01:48 PM

Thanks everyone.

The self settling to go to sleep seems to be making progress. She just went down for her 1pm sleep with no protesting - just some talking to herself. She still catnapped this morning but made 45min which is a rarity. The re-settling still didn't work so will keep persisting with that.

Michelle - I have been following Jack's Tresillion adventures so I am glad to hear that things are looking up for you.
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Posted 15 March 2008 - 02:01 PM

QUOTE(scasey77 @ Mar 15 2008, 02:48 PM) View Post


Michelle - I have been following Jack's Tresillion adventures so I am glad to hear that things are looking up for you.



Thanks lovely.

You know its all about patients and persistance..

Ive learnt jack loves routine and structure.I didnt think it used to matter but it does..

Keep it up.Just when you start to think this is crap she wont ever get that she will...
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Posted 15 March 2008 - 08:59 PM

QUOTE(scasey77 @ Mar 15 2008, 01:08 PM) View Post
Thanks Amy. I haven't tried the pram yet. I have only used that for her afternoon nap when we go out for a walk. I have only tried the rocker so far and she hasn't ever really gone back to sleep for any length of time. Do you know when re-settling whether it is OK to resettle in your arms or to rock the rocker etc. Or is this bad because it is a sleep aid??

Also, how long did you continue to resettle elsewhere before Taylor started resettling herself in the cot?? And how long did you leave her to protest before getting up to resettle elsewhere?


I'm pretty sure you don't try to re-settle by rocking in your arms etc. The book does mention some things, 'i think', like a drive in the car, a swing, can't remember what else. Basically the resettling is to 'teach' them that it is sleep time.

I can't quote exact times, but I think it took at least a couple of weeks of resettling elsewhere for us (we always used the pram.......sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't)


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Posted 16 March 2008 - 07:51 AM

Yeay Sara, sounds like it is going well. Yeah your not supposed to resettle by rocking.

I'm trying SOS again from today. Amy is ok at self settling but she just doesn't sleep for longer than 40mins still. I've tried to resettle elsewhere but she just wants to stay up!! The only thing that will resettle her is the carseat but we can't afford to drive around for an hour and 20 mins twice a day, everyday for the next few weeks especially with the price of petrol atm. I'm just trying to keep her up til the next sleep due and she will still only go down for 40mins and she will be that grumpy and overtired..

She is also rolling in her cot every time i put her in the cot and then she screams cause she does not know how to get back on her back anyway i'm going in like 10 times at night to turn her back over and i'm so exhausted. She is getting a very disturbed sleep at night as she is waking every hour and turning and then up for 15-30mins or so. She is tired when i get her up at 7am so she isn't exactly getting the best start to the day. Anyone got any tips on what to do? If i could get her to sleep like she used to she would go back to being my little happy bub instead of grumpy all the time.
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Posted 16 March 2008 - 08:57 AM

Tanya - as Cate hasn't started rolling yet I am not sure if this will work but have you thought about using one of the anti - roll devices?? We use one for Cate as she is a real mover and would end up at the bottom of her cot and sideways - always hitting her head on the bars. AMy sounds exactly like Cate during the day with the catnaps and we definitely don't want to be using the car all the time either. She sometimes drifts off in her rocker but only for 10 min or so. I guess it might just be perseverence. Have you tried leaving her to resettle in the cot?

We had a pretty good night. Protesting for awhile before I went in to what I thought was an emotional cry. Got her up and she did the tiniest burp in history and seemed hungry so I gave her a little feed. She went back down and protested for 8min before going to sleep for the night. In hindsight I don't think she was emotional crying in the first instance but oh well. She still went to sleep and I am sure I am going to make that mistake many more times.


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Posted 16 March 2008 - 09:05 AM

Well Done Cate.
And yep you are right Sara we will second guess ourselves forever.

Jack is 8 months now and I still 2nd guess everything i do...
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 09:33 AM

Yesterday was not so great for the day sleeps. More protesting for each sleep but was always asleep within 15 min so not too bad. She slept for 45 min in the morning but only 25min in the arvo sad.gif I ended up putting her in the pram and going for a walk so she got another 30min that way.

THe catnapping has definitely not improved yet and re-settling elsewhere is proving very difficult - apart from walking in the pram but I don't want to do that every time as it gets a bit hot.

She has slept 7:30 - 7 for the last 3 nights though so I shouldn't really complain as I am sure many people would kill for that. Protesting last night took 20 min - the longest yet. I am sure it was supposed to get better with time not worse. Having said that last night was the first night I didn't go into her thinking it was emotional.

QUOTE(*Michelle* @ Mar 15 2008, 11:52 AM) View Post

Sounds like it is going well Sara.Cate is a champ.WE arent doing SOS but very similar as we went to tresillion.Its only now Jack has started to be reable to resettle after 40 mins.It makes life easy.I still anxious around 40 mins(its about that now and i feel ill)..



Was just re-reading the posts and I am exactly the same. I am so anxious during her sleeps as I am jsut waiting for her to wake up - especially at the 30 min mark.
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 09:34 AM

Stay strong (((Sara))) It is oh so worth it.

With regards to resettling in the pram, I didn't go for a walk 'outside', I woudl push Taylor madly around the house laugh.gif I did the same for her afternoon nap if I wasn't going for a walk with hubby.

I think I found too, that even with some improvement, some sleeps were still a challenge to begin with, but got there in the end.


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Posted 17 March 2008 - 10:41 AM

Yay, yay, yay - I am so happy right now biggrin.gif

Cate is currently down for her morning sleep. She protested for about 3min before calming down and going to sleep. Woke at the 45min mark for all of about 30sec and has now been back asleep for about 30min. This is so great and hopefully a stop in the right direction. At least now I know she can do it. I am keeping my fingers crossed that she has started to turn the corner - even if it is not for every sleep. I am going to remember how happy I am now when she is protesting tonight.
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