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#31 ladilafe

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 06:17 PM

Thank you Saffire for starting this thread and thanks everyone for sharing their stories.

I adopted a gorgeous 18 months boy from the Lost Dog Home in Melbourne 10 days ago. The reason I went to the lost dog home rather than a pet shop/breeder was because I wanted to give a second chance to a dog that could have been put down because no one wanted him.

I love my little boy so much and I think he now knows he is in his forever home.

I did not know a lot about puppy mills and I am grateful for this thread for educating me.
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 06:50 PM

Oh Amy i read your post to my husband and have mascara everywhere. The love you two shared is so evident from your posts!
What a special girl.
Both our cats are from a breeder and our puppies are from the RSPCA. I suppose Quasi would have been sold as a designer breed but to me he is my perfect little muttley boy. When we went to meet him he just launched into my arms for a cuddle now I know him he gives the best cuddles. He was one year old when i got him
My girl was given up at 7 months old as they (the previous owners) didn't have time for her..... She was so excitable and busy she is the perfect match for my boy.
I can not advocate getting an animal from a shelter or rescue highly enough!
We went and got to know our breeder before we bought the cats. This helped us know they were good/
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 10:55 PM

I have been away all day in meetings and am overwhelmed to find so much support in here tonight. Thank you all so much for voicing your support, sharing your stories, opinions and viewpoints - some of your stories are absolutely heart breaking.

I had fully prepared to return to my computer to a backlash of those who disagree with my stand against petshops, byb and the like. I just hope this doesn't mean that those who are unaware haven't bothered to read the thread.

I truly can't believe what an amazing group of people we have here on i-do.


QUOTE(Mrs Leila @ Feb 20 2008, 06:31 AM) View Post

Thank you Chloe for this informative thread. I too support you in this cause.
Too many people are not aware of the consequences of back yard breeding and puppy mills.

**WARNING - THE BELOW LINK CONTAINS GRAPHIC IMAGES THAT MAY DISTRESS YOU**
This is just one of many links you can find on Youtube about puppy mills.



Thank you for posting this link Mrs Leila. I wish it could be played on national... nay international television. I didn't want to watch it as I have seen other emotional clips before but perversly I force myself to watch it so that I continue to renew my passion for creating awareness.

Thank you so much Amy for sharing your heartbreaking story. Your story, and having watched that you tube clip has brought me to tears. I truly believe in karma and perhaps the greedy bastards that enabled such a deplorable life for Missy will come back in another life as one of their victims. I can't believe I just wrote that as I would never wish that life on anyone. Your story is particularly distressing. I cannot believe how far a human would go to earn a quick buck.

QUOTE(lizzums @ Feb 20 2008, 01:33 PM) View Post

There is no acceptable reason to breed the family pet. Yes puppies are cute, yes you may want to have one of their babies who apparently must of course be just like the parent dogs but genetics does not work that way.


Thanks for posting this lizzums.

I personally don't care how much you say you love your animals. If you truly know the issues at heart, then you cannot say you love your animals and are well aware of all the issues in one breath, and condemn another to a death sentence in another by simply bringing a new litter into this world. Even if you do find a genuinely fabulous loving home for each puppy from your bred litter, that is one less home for a homeless animal who desperately needs one.

Please people. Desex your animals. Please.

QUOTE(mrsm00kz @ Feb 20 2008, 02:21 PM) View Post

They do this at my local shopping centre too. I was amazed to find the puppies running around the store and all these little kids chasing after them and handling them in a not so gentle way. What shocked me most was what if someone had come into contact with parvo unknowingly? These pups who are probably not even immunised or vaccinated properly will not stand a chance of surviving.

So stupid and irresponsible.


I totally agree Jen. So Stupid.


QUOTE(Bellejazz @ Feb 20 2008, 06:44 PM) View Post

As if it isn't bad enough that people don't desex and their animals get pregnant "by accident" you also have those who deliberately allow it because they think their animals will make good parents, or have such cuuuute babies, or just because they think it would be "nice" dry.gif

And then they say the babies will never end up in a shelter or be put to sleep.
Are they going to maintain contact with the new owners for that animals lifetime like a reputable breeder?
Are they going to offer to take the animal back if the owner can't keep it like a reputable breeder?

So thougthless and irresponsible.


Exactly Bellejazz. Exactly.

QUOTE(L's Angel @ Feb 20 2008, 02:38 PM) View Post

I just don't get how you could treat an animal like that and think it's OK - It's beyond me how some people think it's OK for puppies and kittens to be in conditions like this but if you tried to put tigers or elephants or bears in the same situation there'd be world wide outrage. Just because these animals are domesticated and we're used to them being part of our lives people seem to either be desensitized or just not care about the poor treatment...


L's Angel: I had never considered this perspective before. And it is such a valid point. Wish we could get the true story on today tonight or something similar. Unfortunately there is such a roaring trade of animals for sale in petshops (the paradises, the puppy worlds etc etc) that this sort of story would probably not make it to the telly.

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 03:27 AM

Amy your story brought tears to my eyes. At least she was lucky enough to be saved & loved by you.

As for getting this story to TT or something similar, I can't see why we couldn't push for it. If we could come up with a compelling case how could they refuse it? I know that big name celebrities like Charlize Theron & David Duchovony back issues such as these.

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 11:27 AM

I just wanted to add - if, while searching for a new pup you find animals kept in appalling conditions, please report them to the RSPCA. If it's a registered breeder, also report them to your state's Canine Association. It may not be a pleasant task, they may even ask you to make a statement, but these animals can't speak for themselves and you can't assume someone else will do it if you don't.

Non-show quality dogs can also come with papers. They're listed on the Limited Register. You cannot show them or get their pups listed on the full register (obviously should not breed them!) but it shows their lineage. A good breeder should be happy for you to have papers as they have nothing to hide. One who has bred a dog without full papers (and not up to the breed standard) would not be able to provide this. A good registered breeder should also be able to tell you in detail about their dogs, good and bad points of the parents and of the pup that would make it a good/bad example of the breed, and want to keep in touch if you need any advice and be notified if for some reason you can't keep your dog. They should care. They should not allow a pup to leave mum until 10-12 weeks old. They should ask you questions on your lifestyle to see if their breed would really suit you.

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 12:25 PM

Here's another link... WARNING EXTREMELY GRAPHIC INCLUDING DECEASED ANIMALS.



I found it while looking at the other link. This had be bawling. the dog at 2.24... her back legs?! *tries to breath*


And just because the links are featuring american dogs, don't be fooled. It happens in australia too...

http://cordysrescue..../puppy_farm.htm

dogs used as backyard breeding bitches
http://cordysrescue....y_and_laura.htm

the top dogs are from a registered breeder
http://cordysrescue....e_and_after.htm

it ALWAYS pays to check out where your dogs are coming from. If you cannot visit the home, don't buy the dog (or if buying interstate, have a friend check it out for you...


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Posted 21 February 2008 - 05:34 PM

Saffire I wholeheartedly agree with your post.

I believe pet stores should not be able to sell animals and should be restricted to solely selling pet accessories and products. They promote and encourage the business of puppy mills and dangerous backyard breeding.

It took hubby and I almost a year to find a female golden cocker spaniel from a reputable breeder. The wait was excruitiating at the time but sooooo worth the wait.

I also join the plea to encourage desexing. At home breeding is dangerous! I cannot think of any reason for your everday animal lover to have a dog that isn't desexed. (Reputable and knowledgable breeders excluded).

Animals experiencing pain brings me to tears. I actually can't walk near a pet store selling animals...it brings me to tears. I also can't read stories or view images of animals in pain.

Domesticated pets rely on us to take care of them and how can humans turn around and be so cruel. Intentional or not the issues you raise Saffire are just so cruel.

Thanks for making such an important post!

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 06:01 PM

As mentioned in other thread, we used to breed Border Collies - pure bred, pedigree papers, etc, plus we exhibited them in shows nearly every weekend as well. We used the limited register on a few occasions when we believed that a pup may not be up to scratch and should not be bred from. One such pup couldn't walk properly, and we thought it may have been hip problems, despite having both parents tested. Turns out that it was only a dislocated toe! Doh!! Mind you, the vet missed it too and was somewhat embarrased when Mum told him what the animal chiro found!

I bought my kitty from a pet shop. He came in when we were browsing, and I had to have him. He may have spent a grand total of 30 mins in a pet shop. I am not a fan of pet shops, but I couldn't leave him there, so he came home. In future, I plan to rescue from the RSPCA or the pound, but as we rent at the moment, this won't be happening any time soon. H2B also showed Staffies in the past, and would we will only ever buy a pure-bred dog with papers from a breeder, but only if we decide to show. For a pet, a rescue pup will do nicely.

I have also found that most of the pet stores that sell animals are hideously overpriced for supplies anyway!
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Posted 21 February 2008 - 07:59 PM

Thanks for the post Saffire - I think the more people that are aware of this issue the better.

I thought i was alone thinking how ridiculous that people buy 'designer' cross breeds from pet store for $800-900. I agree, a mutt is a mutt - go to the RSPCA and rescue a mutt, don't fork out $800 thinking it is something that it is not.

What made my blood boil is that you ca also purchase animals from some pet stores - INTEREST FREE!! What the? This is not a plasma TV, this is a living breathing animal!!! If you can't afford to outlay the purchase price of the animal, how are you going to be able to afford the upkeep???

My parents breed persian cats for many years and we have saved kittys from the RSPCA too. I take pet ownership so seriously & it makes me so angry and sick when others don't. We have a male 1 years old cat and he is so well fed, treated on time every month, kept inside as not to roam and injure himself or wildlife and desexed. I just wish that all animals could have such a wonderful life.

We are looking to adopt a little girl kitten to keep our boy company soon, off to the RSPCA again for us!
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Posted 21 February 2008 - 11:09 PM

When will people start realising, that its not the quality or quantity of the care that is provided once a BY Bred litter is born, but the decision to breed in the first place?!??!?!?

I 'rescued' a guinea pig once from a petstore. It had a really large open and infected wound on his back, was lying in a tiny cage together with rabbits (should never mix these two together) and other guinea pigs of the opposite sex. I couldn't take it - I took him home.

Guinea pigs are very sexually active at a very early age. It is completely irresponsible to leave boys and girls together - even if they are babies. They have been known to reach sexual maturity at 3 weeks of age. Which means little Jane whose mother buys her a baby guinea pig is left devastated when her first pet has died during a pregnancy/childbirth that shouldn't have even occured in the first place...

I managed to nurse him back to health including visits to the vet. I rehomed him through a GP rescue.

I later realised that by relieving the pet shop of this item of stock, they could then order more and replace the vacancy in that tiny cage with another baby guinea pig. This in turn lead to more breeding of guinea pigs... and so the vicious cycle goes.

No matter how hard it is to walk away, I will never buy any animal (or produce) from a pet store that sells animals.


INTEREST FREE ANIMALS? I'm sorry. This is a new low. So the new owners can't even afford the pet now, but they can hope to afford expensive vet fees, medications food etc for the life of the animal? This is simply absurd.



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Posted 22 February 2008 - 07:38 AM

QUOTE(CHANNY @ Feb 21 2008, 08:59 PM) View Post


What made my blood boil is that you ca also purchase animals from some pet stores - INTEREST FREE!! What the? This is not a plasma TV, this is a living breathing animal!!! If you can't afford to outlay the purchase price of the animal, how are you going to be able to afford the upkeep???



Interest free animals!?! That is beyond ridiculous - They aren't products people, they're living things and anyone who can't afford the cost of the animal in the first place should go away and save up for it, if you really want a pet, then you won't mind waiting til you can afford it.

This is the ultimate in irresponsibility as far as I'm concerned, they might as well have a great big sign saying "Impulse buying, not a problem - We've got Payment Plan Pets" Uh...makes me sick...

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 09:04 AM

I haven't been able to stop thinking about this thread. Puggie, your story has left me heartbroken & haunted. Your girl was a true beauty - The photo of her innocent, trusting face just struck me right in the heart.

The thing is, I can wake up from an unpleasant dream or tune out unsavoury thoughts regarding puppy mills. But animals like Puggie's little girl before she was rescued have to live it every day.

Honestly, I had no idea. I had never thought of BYB like this. It's true - when irresponsible owners let their pets breed & give them away, it robs another animal of a chance. I can't have a pet, but I've gone with friends to pick up cats before & the breeders have always been incredible - I can't believe that some are allowed to operate as registered breeders when they are abusing animals.

I've always been strongly against petshops though for the obvious link to puppy mills... My local pet shop (well known chain) should be shut down just for hygiene reasons!


Saffire Do you mind if I cross post your OP to vogue forums? I think its beautifully written & could have real resonance over there....

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 09:15 AM

QUOTE(Saffire @ Feb 21 2008, 11:09 PM) View Post
When will people start realising, that its not the quality or quantity of the care that is provided once a BY Bred litter is born, but the decision to breed in the first place?!??!?!?


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Providing good pre-natal care doesn't mean you are a fantastic pet owner you are just doing what you are obligated to do, what you should do. That doesn't mean you aren't still thoughtless and irresponsible for making the decision to BYB in the first place. dry.gif

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 09:17 AM

QUOTE(delilah @ Feb 22 2008, 10:04 AM) View Post

I haven't been able to stop thinking about this thread. Puggie, your story has left me heartbroken & haunted. Your girl was a true beauty - The photo of her innocent, trusting face just struck me right in the heart.

The thing is, I can wake up from an unpleasant dream or tune out unsavoury thoughts regarding puppy mills. But animals like Puggie's little girl before she was rescued have to live it every day.

Honestly, I had no idea. I had never thought of BYB like this. It's true - when irresponsible owners let their pets breed & give them away, it robs another animal of a chance. I can't have a pet, but I've gone with friends to pick up cats before & the breeders have always been incredible - I can't believe that some are allowed to operate as registered breeders when they are abusing animals.

I've always been strongly against petshops though for the obvious link to puppy mills... My local pet shop (well known chain) should be shut down just for hygiene reasons!
Saffire Do you mind if I cross post your OP to vogue forums? I think its beautifully written & could have real resonance over there....


Absolutely delilah - I'd love for you to share this message to others. Thanks for sharing your honest thoughts and opinions.

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It's true - when irresponsible owners let their pets breed & give them away, it robs another animal of a chance.


This is absolutely exactly the point I wish others would acknowledge and address.

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 09:36 AM

Thanks for all your lovely comments about my girl. I still miss her very much (along with her good mate Jimbo).

About the robbing other animals of a chance - this is true - particularly robbing shelter animals of the chance of a home.

However, my experience with reputable breeders is that they will usually only breed a litter when they have homes lined up. For instance, a breeder of Pugs I know has a 1.5 - 2 year waiting list for one of her pups. She only breeds twice a year (different dams each time) and as Pugs tend to have smaller litters, you can be waiting a long time for a pup...




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