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#16 alaia

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 12:25 PM

Amy, I have tears in my eyes after reading your post at least she found you and you found her after all that smile.gif

There is a pet supply shop in Harbour Town (Gold Coast) and the lady who owns it has 2 cats per day come in to her shop from the Animal Welfare League and she helps them re-home. It is so wonderful what she is doing. She has toys, etc for them and it is amazing how many cats she sells and she doesn't get anything from it except for the satisfaction of 1 cat less needing to be destroyed.

Actually in saying that, we sponsor a cat enclosure at the Animal Welfare League and since doing that have become close to the staff there. They were telling me that their statistics have dropped quite considerably and last year NO cats were put down BUT that is just on the Gold Coast.

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 12:27 PM

Puggie your story makes me want cry sad.gif

I also suggest pinning this thread. The more people who see it the better.
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 12:28 PM

I back Amy with that too (your story had me upset too). The last female we bought was from another reputable breeder with some 30 years of showing and breeding. The conditions were abysmal and cramped and my little girl had to go straight to the vets and like Amy, get an operation that she had never bothered to care about. Silly woman even thought that she wouldn't be found out. mad.gif
There are breeders and then there are breeders...

Perhaps if all owners of pets had to take a mandatory course to learn how to care for animals and be educated about it all in general and if it was strictly controlled so that nobody could buy animals without it (or strong consequences if you didn't have the licence / course) it would perhaps be enough of a preventative measure and these reactive problems wouldn't be as glaringly huge. I just don't know what the answer is. :sad:

The statistics for animals dumped each year are frankly disgusting and downright cruel. The other thing is that many are just released into the wild. Here in Australia we are the SECOND HIGHEST country in the world for making animals extinct with one of the biggest reasons being feral animals. Considering many of our animals are only found here, I find it absolutely disgusting that this issue is not cared about more.
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 12:33 PM

Saffir that really is an amazing post and I really do hope that the people who should be reading it do, and that they understand it and not think that it doesnt apply to them.

Puggie that made me cry. Your poor old girl had such a hard life before she found a home that really did appreciate her. She looks like a regal old lady laying there in that photo smile.gif

As I have said before I am from a family that bred ACD's for many years for show and to better the breed and our lines were one of the first to be exported to America many moons ago. My dad was always very careful with his breeding and is an incredibly intelligent man (who I thank for teaching me so many things) and he treated those dogs like they were more of his children. We did however have one mistake with the breeding and that is when our champion show dog Ricky (kelpie) thought the cattle dogs were having to much fun and thought our champion show ACD bitch would be perfect for him. So at about 7 or 8 years of age I remember being in charge of looking after that litter since I always claimed that Ricky was my boy smile.gif These dogs pups were all given away to family friends and desexed.
There are many brilliant breeders around who do care and treasure their dogs and are breeding very carefully to ensure not only health but temperment as well.

Then we also know I was RSPCA staff for some time so I saw the other side of things. The dogs that were bred by idiots resulting in unwanted puppys or puppies that just would not have a good quality of life. One that sticks in my head is someone thought it was "funny" to let their friends Rotty mate with their female corgie. Do people not have brains? Do they not realise that they could kill their animals by doing these things?
Also so many of the dogs we had ended up with seriously bad behaviour issues as puppies. Puppies should not be aggressive for any reason but when someone brings in a litter of cross bred SWF's who are 5 weeks old and want to rip your hands off you know something is wrong.

There is no acceptable reason to breed the family pet. Yes puppies are cute, yes you may want to have one of their babies who apparently must of course be just like the parent dogs but genetics does not work that way.

I will be the first to admit that techincally neither of my dogs are purebreds. Joey was a mini foxie from a BYB that Steve got well before he met me and didnt know any better.
Tully's mum is papered but the father isnt and he wasnt meant to be the father. Yes his is a Maltese but no I cant technically say my baby is pure Maltese because there are no papers to prove it. But she is from a reputable breeder (if she wasnt then the breeder wouldnt be coming to our wedding smile.gif )

There are so many things about animals that people would rather stick their heads in the sand about when really they should be educating themselves on what really does happen.

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 12:34 PM

Another one crying at your post Puggie sad.gif

It obviously pays to do your research, even with a reputable breeder - see the property, meet the people and the dogs.

Alternatively, go with a rescue group (one that desexes before rehoming), they will match the dog to your lifestyle, ensuring a great match smile.gif


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Posted 20 February 2008 - 12:35 PM

It's funny this came up because I walked past the pet shop in the centre today and saw they had a pen in the middle of the shop with 3 puppies in it and I bent down beside it to see them. Naturally they bounded up to me and started jumping and pawing me. The shop assistant said "please don't touch the puppies" and it was on the tip of my tongue to say what difference would it make me touching them or not because I am sure where they came from was worse than what they could catch from me dry.gif rolleyes.gif

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 12:51 PM

QUOTE(alaia @ Feb 20 2008, 01:35 PM) View Post

It's funny this came up because I walked past the pet shop in the centre today and saw they had a pen in the middle of the shop with 3 puppies in it and I bent down beside it to see them. Naturally they bounded up to me and started jumping and pawing me. The shop assistant said "please don't touch the puppies" and it was on the tip of my tongue to say what difference would it make me touching them or not because I am sure where they came from was worse than what they could catch from me dry.gif rolleyes.gif

I think I may be banned from Pets Paradise at Morayfield shortly. They sort of dont like people going in asking questions about the puppies eg about the parents and what exactly the breeds are and where they came from. They kinda didnt really like it when I informed them that their Australian Bulldog X puppies that they were selling for $895!!!!!!!!! were actually Boxer crosses. Then proceeded to ask me how I would know that because they didnt even know the breed (ahh yes the did say that out loud)

Another thing. When will people realise that DD's are just cross breeds or mutts? There is no such thing as a cavoodle, maloodle, pekizu, or whatever name they want to give them. And when you breed your cavoodle with another cavoodle it does not make a pure cavoodle it makes a mutt.

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 01:00 PM

Amy - thank you for sharing your story, I too had a little tear in my eye - how lucky that you found that poor dog and gave her a wonderful home.

My mum is shocking for picking up stray dogs (thankfully they have a large property), she got a puppy just after I moved out of home that she found at the local tip. When they took it to the vet it was a cattle dog x Chihuahua - how awful is that!

Thankfuly she is a happy healthy dog, but heaven only knows what happened to her mother.

Here she is, loving life on the farm

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 01:13 PM

QUOTE(lizzums @ Feb 20 2008, 12:51 PM) View Post

They kinda didnt really like it when I informed them that their Australian Bulldog X puppies that they were selling for $895!!!!!!!!! were actually Boxer crosses. Then proceeded to ask me how I would know that because they didnt even know the breed (ahh yes the did say that out loud)

Are you kidding me ohmy.gif Boxers are the easiest breeds to pick due to their jaw! OMG and to not even know what the breed was wacko.gif

A friend of mine owns a pet produce place that does sell animals and every single one of his staff members are hired for their "product" knowledge. I go in their to drill them for information about fish and am gobsmacked how much they know and this is just about fish we're are talking about smile.gif

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 01:18 PM

QUOTE(alaia @ Feb 20 2008, 02:13 PM) View Post

Are you kidding me ohmy.gif Boxers are the easiest breeds to pick due to their jaw! OMG and to not even know what the breed was wacko.gif

A friend of mine owns a pet produce place that does sell animals and every single one of his staff members are hired for their "product" knowledge. I go in their to drill them for information about fish and am gobsmacked how much they know and this is just about fish we're are talking about smile.gif

I was actually rejected a few years ago for a job at a certain very large pet store on the northside of Brisbane because 1) I had previously worked for the RSPCA and 2) because I knew to much about animals etc. And these were the reasons they told me that I did not get the job. Pet stores want idiots to sell to idiots (sorry I am not calling anyone here an idiot but YKWIM)

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 01:21 PM

QUOTE(alaia @ Feb 20 2008, 01:35 PM) View Post

It's funny this came up because I walked past the pet shop in the centre today and saw they had a pen in the middle of the shop with 3 puppies in it and I bent down beside it to see them. Naturally they bounded up to me and started jumping and pawing me. The shop assistant said "please don't touch the puppies" and it was on the tip of my tongue to say what difference would it make me touching them or not because I am sure where they came from was worse than what they could catch from me dry.gif rolleyes.gif


They do this at my local shopping centre too. I was amazed to find the puppies running around the store and all these little kids chasing after them and handling them in a not so gentle way. What shocked me most was what if someone had come into contact with parvo unknowingly? These pups who are probably not even immunised or vaccinated properly will not stand a chance of surviving.

So stupid and irresponsible.
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 01:26 PM

OMG Amy what an horrific story, the poor little girl sad.gif

EVIL EVIL people mad.gif
(is she stiil breeding Pugs?)

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 01:38 PM

Amy - Your story has me close to tears. Thank goodness you were able to give Missy the home she deserved.

This whole issue just breaks my heart - So many pet stores just treat the animals as another product, not a living creature. There's a new pet store opened in town (the chain of stores is not new, just this particular location) and the puppies are kept in small cages in the window of the shop on one of the busiest streets in Hobart - There are cars and people going by constantly, I guess that's why they've got them there - They're on display for maximum sales. mad.gif But the poor little things are left there over night, in the store, and half the time they're barely 8 weeks old.

I just don't get how you could treat an animal like that and think it's OK - It's beyond me how some people think it's OK for puppies and kittens to be in conditions like this but if you tried to put tigers or elephants or bears in the same situation there'd be world wide outrage. Just because these animals are domesticated and we're used to them being part of our lives people seem to either be desensitized or just not care about the poor treatment...

My girl came from the pound, she and her brother and sister were bought to the dogs home at about 12 weeks, the last three of a litter from a family who obviously couldn't get rid of them. At least they were bought to the dogs home and given a second chance, but I wonder how many more litters that dog will have. There's no excuse for it - If you can't be a responsible pet owner, don't own a pet! mad.gif
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 04:44 PM

Saffire thank you for posting. You have such a way with words and it has a much greater impact. I also think this thread should be pinned.
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 05:44 PM

This is an issue I feel quite strongly about.

As a teenager I volunteered in an animal shelter with the noble aspirations that I would be doing good and making a difference, instead I ended up heartbroken after having to hold the far too many unwanted dogs and cats so the vet could give them the injection to put them to sleep. I never went back after I had to help with a great Dane ... it took 4 injections to make him go to sleep, I still get teary thinking about it.

As if it isn't bad enough that people don't desex and their animals get pregnant "by accident" you also have those who deliberately allow it because they think their animals will make good parents, or have such cuuuute babies, or just because they think it would be "nice" dry.gif

And then they say the babies will never end up in a shelter or be put to sleep.
Are they going to maintain contact with the new owners for that animals lifetime like a reputable breeder?
Are they going to offer to take the animal back if the owner can't keep it like a reputable breeder?

So thougthless and irresponsible.





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