Thanks for starting Gwen. I hate that we are even able to move over here.
I'm in denial most days that it has been over 12 months. However denial isn't going to get me anywhere.
I'm starting to be a bit more proactive now - hitting the gym, starting acupuncture (one that specialises in fertility, and AC support) and making our booking for IVF this week.
I PLAN on being UTD before the end of the year

I hope Kookies absence brings good news too!

hiya gals- no update from me as yet, just waiting out this last IUI TWW, dpo 5 today.

Kooks- am hoping we hear from you soon!

Thanks for starting this up Gwen.

Wow, this all feels so very real now. No more denying that I am LTTTC

Do we have any rules in here? Does anyone mind if there are sigs? I myself don't mind if there are.

I hope that none of you are here long, but that while you are, you find comfort and support in one another. All the best with your journies.

I don't mind about sigs, I didn't post mine in the first post because I didn't want to draw attention to myself etc....

Kir - I'm really impressed with your motivation. You are so true with the statement about denial getting you/us nowhere. We need to be proactive. Let me know how your acupuncture goes, I'm starting up mine again next week.

LC - DPO5.....how are you feeling? I know you mentioned in a past post that your weren't "feeling" it. Any changes since then?

Well I've been an absolute sloth-bag I've been in bed all day!! Only getting up for food and toilet breaks.

ETA - Thanks Kell

That's a nice way to start the thread I hope you girls feel more comfortable here now, I know how annoying and depressing the TTC section gets after a while.

Belinda

I hope there are lots of graduates from here soon.

Does anyone here go to acupuncture, if so where do you go, do you like it?

MrsBear - I haven't started yet, hope to have my first session next week, but I'll be going to one in Chatswood - http://www.orientalmedicineclinic.com.au/acupuncture.html
There was a great review on another forum.

Hi all *waves*

Kir - it does feel better to be proactive doesnt it? It just sucks that we have to be put in this position at all. Making that appointment is a big step.

LC - how are you feeling during this 2WW?

Gwen - your not the only one whos been naughty today . Ive managed to migrate to the couch and watch (read perve) at music clips most of the day while downloading some new music. It feels good to be lazy occasionally.

Well Ive finished my cause of Letrozole and have a scan this Friday to check my lining which I am worried about, I half suspect it wont be thick enough and I am preparing myself for this FEt cycle to be cancelled.

My next accupuncture is in the morning, I have 3 this week.

Mrs Bear to answer your question to whether I like it or not, the answer is yes and no.
I have no problems with the needles and yes it is relaxing but I do have a bit of a problem with it because I identify it with my fertility problems and it just feels like another AC treatment. Hmmm I dont know it that makes sense.
i guess Id really like it if it wasnt for fertility.

Thanks for starting this thread. I did think about it for some time but wasn't sure .

Let's hope our trips are about to end and we can start a new journey!

Yes that makes perfect sense, I went frequently a year ago and found it relaxing, but it to is just another remind of the TTC long journey.

Thanks Kir I will check out the link. Let us know how you get on.

Hi everyone, just crashing your thread for a moment to say hello and welcome, and I hope this support thread is helpful to you as you go through your journies. Best wishes to you all!


ETA: Polite and gentle reminder that the entire LTTTC forum and all threads in it are to be sig free, even if they do not contain any pg/baby related pics or tickers. (There is a pinned topic at the top of the LTTTC section to help remind. We all forget at times though!). Disabling your sigs prevents issues and hurts later on should you graduate, as preg/baby pics and tickers turn up in your sigs if they are left on now.

Great point, I hope that continues because it is really hard for people to see baby/pregnancy etc tickers now or when looking back for information and coming across old threads with new tickers etc..

Hi girls I hate seeing us all in this thread heres to moving on quickly!

I am finding myself deep in thought lately about how my family and friends are acting in relation to my TTC taking longer than planned (a lot longer than my original plans ).
I can see myself ending up with a lot less friends then I have now
On the weekend I had dinner with 2 close friends, both know we're TTC and neither of them asked me anything
I was talking to another friend last week, she found out she's having another boy and she said "I'll have to have another one now (she wants a girl), I'll probably be having my third when you have your first"

My Mum on the other hand has been encouraging of late; on the weekend she asked if I had heard about Lily Liu!?!?

I wish DH was as supportive as some other DH's on this forum, he keeps saying it'll happen when it happens. I thought he'd be against starting AC but he is actually looking forward to it and he read all the information I gave him. I know he's going to be a great dad, but I can't tell him enough that I need some more support

LC - another day over in the TWW, how are you feeling?

Sierra, I hope your FET isn't cancelled. How many frozen embryo's did you end up getting?

oh kir what a horrible friend.. that is sooo slac i cant believe she would say that!!! i woulda felt like bitchslapping her

sierra fingers crossed everything works for you
hmm day on the lougne sounds great... i am freezing cause we have no windows on our house today as they are all getting replaced so as i have to stay home all day i am spending a lot of time on the net
god i hope you are all out of here sooon!!!!!

hope you dont mind me keep popping back in.. you can say if you do i wont be offended... you guys have all just been such an awesome support to me i want to return te favour

Hi girls, wish me luck, I was hoping I wouldnt have to do it be we are getting a referral to the fertility specialist. The one we want to see I think we may have to wait a awhile to get in though. But we are going to get all the blood tests and things you can do in the meantime that the doctor can organise.
Thank god I have a wedding to plan to try and keep my mind off it

Hi Everyone ,

Just a little hello in this new thread
I hope that we are all able to achieve that much longed after baby.

Maybe we need to do a bit of a roll call..who is here ... why ... how ect ect ...
and then have Gwen add it to the 1st post.
What do you think ?

foreverus, I know I definitely don't mind if you stay in here. I know when I was pregnant, I felt a little bit empty not coming in here and contributing all the time

ALI, that sounds pretty good to me. It will be nice too when we have graduates and we can see a list all on the front page.

Sierra, yesterday was such a yucky day hey! Definitely an indoors day. I ventured out a couple of times because I had to put some clothes on the line, but I did stay in my PJs all day!
Thinking of you and hoping your cycle will go ahead.

kayla, it's a big step isn't it, getting that referral and making that appointment. When I walked out of my first appointment, I started crying because it all just became so very very real for me.

Kir, so glad to hear your Mum is starting to become more supportive. to your friends though.



My DH is not supportive either. In fact, if I didn't occassionally ask him, I would start to think that he didn't want to have a child at all. I know that he just thinks very differently to me... very very differently. I don't think he shed a tear or expressed deep sadness at all when we lost our little one, and at first I wondered if he cared at all, but when I talked to him about it, he said that he was of course disappointed but it just didn't affect him the same as me.

On Friday night we were having a few laughs and I was talking about how I want to go on a holiday which is an ongoing thing in our house as he never does, so I told him that he'll have to get me pregnant so I have other things about, he then said something really horrible, so horrible that I am not going to repeat it here, but needless to say it greatly upset me. Of course, it was just one of those cases of not thinking before speaking and also just not feeling the same things that I feel.

ALI - the roll call is a great idea. Its nice to know where people are up too and offer support.

Kir - sorry about your friends. Some people just dont get it when they have it easy. Its great you have your mom for support, Im envious.

Ali - sorry about your DH making you upset. They just seem to deal with things sooo much differently than us and of course they then dont realise that some of the things they say can be very hurtful to us. (((HUGS)))

Kayla - good luck with your appointment. Its heartbreaking to make that first appointment but at the same time its exciting to be doing something pro- active.

Foreverus - I certainly dont mind you popping in. You of all people know what we are going through.

Ive go the next couple of days off because its my weekend so I think it will be another couch day Im feeling guilty about it but not that guilty , although I do have to go to the accupuncturist today.



We have 2 frosties of very good grade so hopefully they will thaw sucessfully. we are implanting 2 because I am over 35.

Hiya gals, great to see so many of us in the new thread

Thanks also for such a warm welcome Kell, Belladoah, Gumnut and Mrs Bear

Sierra- I am praying your lining is just fine, and your frozen little embies thaw beautifully for you- fingers crossed this cycle is it for you

Ali- I'm so sorry your DH made you upset...all I can think of is that he is dealing with his grief in a very different way and maybe he thought joking about it would lighten the mood a little bit? big hugs hon, men just don't think sometimes

Guys- don't forget about sigs off too

Well, absolutely nothing to report in my TWW so far, very noneventful and boobs are just not sore at all again...I had my post IUI prog test this morning so I'll find out at lunch what the numbers were, but I know already they'll be in the twenties (thats low for me post o)
they've made my preg blood test 16dpo this time, which is laughable with an 11-12day luteal phase!

Not sure how to do the roll call but I'll have a stab...

Names- Lil & DH
Ages- 28 & 28
TTC 1#- since April 07
Diagnosis- Male factor infertility Morph, motility, count
Treatment/meds- 75 FSH Puregon (Monash IVF- Melbourne)
Jan IUI- BFN
Feb IUI- BFN
April IUI- BFN
May IUI- BF?
History- Been on the pill prior to TTC for 12ish years, get +OPKS or almost + at very weird times sometimes for a week in a row. Have v light periods on pill and also now, 3days max but I think pre-pill I had heavy clotty periods, 11 day luteal. Painful periods. Body being unco-operative last 2 cycles with lower than usual prog post O.
Suspect I may have thin lining, endo or something contributing from my end to our infertility issues (ie. its not just DH factor), that is based on my gut feeling and the info above.
What next?- HSG, Lap once PHI kicks in in Nov, then maybe IVF or more IUI...

Ok Im will be brave and have a go....

Names - Sierra & DH
Ages - 38 & 29
TTC#1 - 14 cycles
Diagnosis- MF & my age
Treatment/meds - IVF/ICSI at QFG
April - IVF/ICSI #1 antagonist 450 GondalF, Cetrotide 250
5 eggs injected, 4 fertilized, 2 put back - BFN, 2 on ice
May - FET #1 Letrozole cycle , 2 to put back if thaw sucessfully.
History - on BCP for 15 years. Regular cycles after of CD29 - 34, Oing doesnt seem to be a problem. Light AF so I suspect my lining is usually light without support.
Spent first year temping , OPKing and timing correctly, not even a hint of sucess .
Straight to IVF due to my age.

prog came back great at 66! there goes my no sore bb's theory
I don't feel any different to last cycle which was 26- crazy!!

Names - Gwen & DH
Ages - 26 & 28
TTC#1 - 15 months
Diagnosis- Non-ovulation. Originally diagnosed with PCOS, but I'm not 100% on this.
Treatment/meds - 3 cycles of clomid, two cycles with trigger shot and no success. Currently taking the alternative approach with herbs, vitamins, weight gain, chiro and acupuncture visits. Hope to bring back ovulation that way, if I have no success by August I'll start the trigger shots again. DH is in the process of getting a S/A.


I'm not sure how I should set up the roll-call for the original post. I was thinking putting the names of current TTC ladies, Graduates and our Angels.

LC - Sounds promising. Is that the highest result for all of your IUIs?

Where is kooks?? I hope she's okay.

Name - Ali
Ages- 25
TTC # 2 - Approx 15 months
Diagnosis - Unexplained Secondary Infertility. Originally PCOS , no AF or ovulation.
Treatment - Nothing. Our FS will not treat women with high BMI We are currently eating a low gi , pcos friendly diet in the hope of reducing my BMI, I am also seeing a natropath , personal trainer and chiropracter. In the hope that things will sort themselves out (ignorance is bliss) and we will be seeking another referral end of year , if nothing has changed.
History - Our son we concieved while on the pill He has just turned 3

Names: Keir and C
Ages: 30 & 35
TTC # 1: 14 months
Diagnosis: PCOS, Insulin resistant
Treatment/meds: 1500mg metformin daily.
Using the OvWatch for ovulation, I'm pretty sure I do ovulate.
Hoping to start IVF end of this year - so more tests and SA for DH.
History: Regular cycles of CD 28 - 32 (longest one 34, but very rare), now that I'm on the Met it's pretty much 28 days.


Gwen I think that's a lovely idea!
I hope everything is ok with Kookies too. Will just send her a quick PM now.

LC - I hope 66 is an excellent indicator!!!

Names: Kookies & Mr Kookies
Ages: 31 & 35
TTC # 1: 23 months (makes me feel better to refer to it in months )
Diagnosis: Unexplained (although FS thinks it may be related to my ruptured appendix and big abdominal infection 5 years ago - tubes are clear but adhesions/scaring may have pushed some of the bits out of place). Every test has been done except a lap (they won't do abdominal surgery on me due to the higher risks associated with all my adhesions). We are just waiting on the results of a chromosone screening test that the FS has ordered (not sure what that is supposed to pick up though).
Treatment/meds: Taking the pill for round 1 of IVF, start Lucerin jabs on Friday .
History: Never been pregnant and always had a very regular cycle and light AF with no real pain.

Sierra - I've lost track, but when is your defrosting happening? I have everything crossed for you!

Kir - Grrrr to your unsupportive friends . We are always here if you need to vent.

Kayla - Good luck for your FS appointment... hope all the wedding planning is going well too.

Gwen - Thank you for starting this in such a gorgeous way! Also, sorry to go AWOL with no explanation. I meant to post before I left for the weekend but was in such a rush to get to the airport. I posted a quick update in our old thread about what I've been up to.

Lil - yay for the progesterone!!!!!

Alicia darling - I am sorry that your DH opened his mouth without thinking. Sometimes I just have to accept that my beloved, although wonderful in almost every way can at times display the sensitivity of a sledge-hammer and the emotional maturity of a three year old. I have learnt to take deep breaths and calmly ask "Did you actually mean XXX?". In all cases the answer is "No, of course I didn't... sorry." Hugs though - it can be so hard when you are feeling fragile to deal with insensitivity.

Ali - I love your new sig picture (I saw it in the other thread).

Arghhhhh!!! Are you serious!!??

I'm sorry your friends are out of the loop with your journey, I know my friends try but half the time I feel like they're to nervous to ask. We're here for you to chat with anytime.

How cute is your Mum though, she must be doing her research. Let me know how you go with acupuncture.

I'll update the first post in the morning, with all our names and angels. Please forgive me in advance if I miss anyone.

Thanks girls, Ali sometimes they just dont think!!!

I have the referral, I've looked at the phone all day and I couldnt bring myself to make the call

Kir - Just a quick note to tell you that i did send off an email to my friend who is doing public ivf through RPA. She has just had another cycle fail, so i am not sure what kind of a state she is in. But i have asked her to come in and give us all an update .


Kayla - As scary as it all is. The sooner you go , the sooner you know.

I am going to try and get an appointment to start acupuncture as my FS said there were studies showing a positive correlation between it and success in an IVF cycle. I've probably left it a bit late to start, but I don't think it can hurt. However the FS did say not to take any Chinese Herbs during a treatment cycle so I will be steering away from those for now. Will give Kir's place a call today and update you.... but Mrs B, I am not sure you are in Sydney so this may not be that helpful to you!

Thanks hon I looked at Kir’s place it sounds really good, it closes at 6pm though so would struggle to get there during the week. I have read those studies also and they sound positive – good luck .

Gwen, good idea just to put our names and graduates etc

Name: Alicia & DH
Ages: 27 (nearly 28)
TTC #1: 16 months
Diagnosis: None as yet as have not had all the tests done. I have however had caeliac and thyroid ruled out. I have a personal feeling that my progesterone might be low, but this is just my own theory.
Treatment: Taking herbs, tried chiro, starting acupuncture next week. Also regularly (mostly ) attending the gym.
History: Had quite a few wacky cycles last year, however the last few cycles at the end of last year have been regularish at around 32 days. CM last year was almost non existant, but this has now majorly increased which is good. One previous pregnancy in Feb 08 which resulted in a miscarriage at 7 weeks.
Where to from here? We had our initial visit with a FS just before I fell pregnant, so that all got cancelled. We have decided to give it a few months to try again by ourselves and just using natural therapies, if nothing has happened, then we'll start back at the FS again.



Kir, my FS said at my first appointment, that just because you have all the signs of ovulation (temp rise, CM, +OPK etc) it does not necessarily mean you are actually releasing an egg, it's just that your body is going through the process of trying to. At first I was like "you're full of crap man!" but the more I thought about it, I realised this could be true. Anyway, I'm not an expert on your body and don't know what tests you've had etc, but just FYI.

Kooks great to hear from you, good luck with your jabbing- you'll be absolutely fine!

Gwen- yep 66 is the highest I've had so far, kinda makes me want to continue with IUI as my body seems to be finally behaving. The other good thing is, the last high number of 58 our wash was only 2mil, this time it was 5mil so it leaves me calm in the knowledge that at least with 1 out of 4 we had a 'chance', that for once everything fell into place and it all wasn't up the creek, so if it doesn't work, at the very least we had all the right boxes ticked this time.

Morning/afternoon Ladies,

I've returned from our gyno appointment with the hubby. I don't know what he was stressing about We have our little container and looks like the S/A will be completed by the end of this week which makes me feel really pro-active. I've also got a referral for a HSG test but can't take that until CD7-10 so I have to wait for AF to arrive...more waiting.

My gyno suggested a laparoscopy as she finds that HSG tests can be misleading due to the pain some patients tubes can cease up or spasm which stops the flow of the liquid. Anyhoo she gave me a quote for a laparoscopy - $5000.00 which is $3,800.00 in Aussie dollars. Does that sound expensive? Can someone advise me if medicare offers any type of rebate?

The HSG test is costing me $110.00 in Aussie dollars so I thought I'd go with the cheaper option first off.

LC - I'm glad that things are lining up in your favour for this IUI cycle. Least you know you did everything you could. Fingers and toes still crossed.

Kooks - Wow, everything seems to be moving really quickly. Jabs on Friday! Good luck.xx



Ali - I have to agree with this. I have wonderfully fertile CM from CD12-CD18 and all the signs of ovulation but I don't actually ovulate....so it's possible.

Thanks for doing the list Gwen

lc, keeping positive for you that the high prog level is a good sign!

Kookies, I think I'm in denial that this is all happening for you!

Kir- have you had 21day bloods to confirm o? if not, I'd recommend it- that way you'll know for sure if you o....

Gwen- that price seems exactly in line what I was quoted for Lap, and why we need to wait until PHI kicks in this Nov to have one Our clinic said through the public system its 6-12months wait $4,000 approx all up and you get $1,500-2k back from medicare....if you go through PHI is is virtually nothing.

Thanks LC Although I was hoping for a cheaper result. At least you get a rebate from medicare I suppose. Hmmmm I'm seriously considering setting up PHI in Australia while I'm here, so when I return there is no waiting period.

There is such a communication barrier for my PHI customer service line that I can't even be bothered calling to enquire if I'm covered Maybe I should pull my finger out and call.

Thanks Ali, no pressure, I'm sorry about your friend


On the forum I found it the girl was starting IVF the next day, they told her to come in straight away - it's never too late!
I'm glad both you and MrsBear like the place - I'm going to start going before work once a week!


Yeah, this is what worries me.


I've had the 21 day test. I posted the results and the girls said it looked like I O'd.

Gwen, good luck for the SA and tests!!!


ETA We're booked in with Westmead IVF for the end of July!
I'm still keen for RPA but they seriously never answer their phones!

oh my goodness Kir- how exciting for you!! It must seem all that more real now you are actually booked in.

Sorry, I couldn't remember if you'd had your 21day test, I know you had all your glucose tests and bloods for PCOS etc...did your FS think you had o'd by your results??

Babe, Please check out the wait, i too was told i would have a wait of around the same, and i got in on the public system in 9 days

It was through my GP and I did take it to my endocrinologist - both said it looked fine. And actually the endo guy said not to come back til I'm pregnant - he seemed to think there was no problem. However as we all know it's just not that simple is it!

Kir are you trying the IVF clinic or the appointment line number which is – 9515-7102? You need to call the later I think.

Kir - Is the July appointment to actually start IVF treatment? Or just meet and greet etc... Least you have a date in your mind and something to look forward to IYKWIM.

Wow, it seems nearly everyone in here has really got the ball rolling in regards to treatment. I'm starting to feel like I'm kidding myself that I think this can still happen naturally for me

I think this is a wonderful idea. Are you able to add me Gwen. I also lost an angel 5 months ago. Just call him ~bubbaangel~


Names: Sandra & Paul
Ages: 32 & 35
TTC # 1: 16 months
Diagnosis: Unexplained. Apparently we are both normal But Dr thinks it might be possible I am not ovulating every month. Right ovary doesn't seem to be working as hard as the left.
Treatment/meds: Currently having scans to pin point ovulation and BT on CD 21. If this doesn't work we will do a lap to double check all is ok. DH semen is fine.
History: Have been pregnant once but MC. According to description of last cycle, Dr thinks I may have had another MC but I am taking it as AF. Most cycles are 28-29 though have had one 26 day one and the month before we fell I had a 35 one. Pains aren't too bad. Usually heavy for three days and then it goes away after day 5.

Thank you MrsBear - I was calling the fertility clinic and they were transferring me. I will call the number you gave me tomorrow!

Gwen, it's my first appointment. I'll be due for AF the Sunday afterwards, so I'm guessing we'll miss that cycle, and start the meds in the September cycle for an IVF cycle in October? All feedback from RPA was that they move quickly from your initial appointment, not sure about Westmead.

If I get through to RPA and can get in, I'm so torn on who to use. How do I make the decision? Based on excellent recommendations (Westmead) or closest to us (RPA)? (just did a whereis seach and not taking into account traffic there is only 4 minutes difference between the two hospitals and us - I guess we're in the middle!)

ETA - I'll call RPA tomorrow and I'll go with the nearest appointment - decision made

Kir, which specialist have you called to get into Westmead? there is a big difference in waits between the many specialists??

Emma I'm seeing Dr Smith?